SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by csThor

however, that there is no need for anyone to own assault rifles

The problem with this is that the only thing that often separates the two are appearances. The same innards and guts are exactly the same. Just the handles and stock. Some are fine finished wood then just swap it out and you have carbon fiber stock and it looks menacing. Now that is what I call judgmental and very silly. On the inside it is exactly the same thing.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

Although I do not wish to add more fuel to an already burning fire I must say I find your attitude rather sad (to put it mildly) and I really pity people like you who feel threatened by their own government to the point that they insist on owning arms on the nebulous principle that "the big bad government" wants to limit one's personal freedom. I'm not a blind believer in the good of governments, I know they're sodders, but I don't see owning weapons as a way to solve that problem.

Ha, if there's someone who should be very weary of governments here is you man, you live in a country whose government... well you know what happened, don't you?

I have no problems with hunters owning weapons (not owning them would make that profession rather pointless, wouldn't it?)

Hunting is not a profession.

or people who like sportive shooting as a hobby. I do believe, however, that there is no need for anyone to own assault rifles, MGs or even more than one or two handguns (like, for example, the father of the young man who committed the massacre of Winnenden a few years back - the idiot owned 17 handguns!).

obviously you don't understand the concept of collecting. I have met people with collections in excess of 300 guns, does that make them nutters or idiots? Hardly. They just have interests and hobbies different from yours, so have some respect for that.

I don't see shooting clubs as an evil itself, but it is my heartfelt impression that too many privately owned weapons are a mere boost for the owner's self-esteem, a d*** replacement or an imagined cure for real or imagined faults of character/body/whatever.

once again, you probably never handled a firearm or frequented a shooting club. The fact that you think of guns as a boost for self-esteem makes you sick, not the others. Gun clubs and training schools teach you to respect and fear firearms.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

I have met people with collections in excess of 300 guns, does that make them nutters or idiots?

Yes, I think it makes them nutters and idiots and I do think people who want to collect firearms have personality problems.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Yes, I think it makes them nutters and idiots and I do think people who want to collect firearms have personality problems.

well bravo, idiotic self-righteousness has a new face, yours.

[arthursmedley]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

well bravo, idiotic self-righteousness has a new face, yours.

Lol. Why are my views idiotic and self-righteous exactly?

[JG4_Helofly]

If guns protect freedom, where were the guns when the patriot act was signed? Where were the guns when the big banks got bailed out? Where were the guns when the Fed recieved all it's power? Etc.

In the US you talk alot about freedom, but there are very powerfull institutions in the government or in the private sector who take this freedom from you, but nothing happens. Why?

Btw. I have the highest respect for the "occupy wallstreet" people. But they didn't need guns to make a point.

[csThor]

No, I have never fired a weapon (wasn't conscripted, either, due to health reasons) nor do I intend to. And to answer your question yes, I'd consider someone owning 300 weapons a person in dire need of psych evaluation. And to derail your other rather far-off analogy you only need to take a look at all of Germany's history to understand why privately owned weapons never were and never will be seeing any kind of grand social acceptance here. Us Krauts aren't a society of revolutionaries - we've had two revolutions in our entire history, the French had more in a single year IIRC - so the idea that privately owned weapons would have prevented Hitler ... Pardon, but Bullsh*t!

Since my words have apparently touched a nerve and I have no intention of being dragged into a flamefest I hereby do the clever thing and say goodbye to this thread.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by arthursmedley

Lol. Why are my views idiotic and self-righteous exactly?

you're not really asking me that question, are you?
Care to elaborate your point a bit more or you're happy to leave it like a stupid sentence that escaped the no-that's-a-stupid-thing-to-say in your brain?

Why you think guns collectors are idiots and nutters with personality problems exactly?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by csThor

No, I have never fired a weapon (wasn't conscripted, either, due to health reasons) nor do I intend to.

I figured as much.

And to answer your question yes, I'd consider someone owning 300 weapons a person in dire need of psych evaluation.

so, you have no experience, and still you feel the right to say whether someone who has an interest different than yours is in need of psych evaluation. Sounds terribly like Germany in the early 30s to me..

And to derail your other rather far-off analogy you only need to take a look at all of Germany's history to understand why privately owned weapons never were and never will be seeing any kind of grand social acceptance here. Us Krauts aren't a society of revolutionaries - we've had two revolutions in our entire history, the French had more in a single year IIRC - so the idea that privately owned weapons would have prevented Hitler ... Pardon, but Bullsh*t!

Since my words have apparently touched a nerve and I have no intention of being dragged into a flamefest I hereby do the clever thing and say goodbye to this thread.

If there's one thing that is really cool about Germany is that in all their decisions (good and bad), they've always been "Ein Volk", and the orderly mentality of Germany hardly marries with the idea of revolution. Gun ownership wouldn't have made a difference anyway cos the majority of people in Germany were pro-Hitler..

The problem is that you're still giving the wrong meaning to gun ownership, something you actually know NOTHING about, but still feel like you can give your uninformed opinion because of God knows what reason.

And yeah, nice way of flipping things around, I think you're leaving because you realise you actually don't have a valid argument. Funny that your avatar is a hunter with a gun though, isn't it?

[Sternjaeger II]

I still really do wonder what these anti-guns preachers are doing here in a military combat simulator where they fire with cannons and machineguns at other aircraft.. why you're not using Flight Simulator or X-Plane?