SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

I fail to see any relation between hating humans and boredom.
Maybe I am, in your view, the proof some people are born evil.

Movie rec.:

Iiiiiii give you a hint. Forming your view on the world based on Hollywood usually is not such a good idea =)

And no, you are as harmless as can be. Barking dogs don't bite. The quite, really quite ones is who concern me most. Those who can't get their inner pressure out verbally.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Iiiiiii give you a hint. Forming your view on the world based on Hollywood usually is not such a good idea =)

uh-uh

And no, you are as harmless as can be. Barking dogs don't bite. The quite, really quite ones is who concern me most. Those who can't get their inner pressure out verbally.

Doesn't always need pressure kill, some do it for fun*.
But of course you'd feel sorry even for a serial killer.
Anyway, I don't feel like spending 15yrs in jail, so I'll just keep barking.

*Back in the 90's a close friend of mine was invited to a manhunt in India. At first he thought the other guy was joking - he wasn't...
Such things exist.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Marrokkon Dude not happy about us three cleaning up a parking lot after a party and his car not being able to pull out. He "commanded" me to get the dirt bags away that were in his path. When I did not comply, he pulled a gun. There simply can't be a more banal way to get a gun to your forehead, at the midst of day right in front of our scool (back then, I was 18 ).

The two others stepped back, I stayed and stared him down, telling him to put that playtool away and just leave. Which he did after a minute of pointing that gun at me. He then just drove over those bins in defiance.

That's exactly my point mate: a thug pulls a gun to your temple cos in a society with no guns he knows you and/or your mates won't have one.
In a society with a gun ban the thugs will still have thir guns, so I don't see why I should deprive law abiding citizen of the right to self defence. Nobody is forcing you to have one, but if you want you can and it can save you and the people around you.

I'm sorry you had such an awful experience, but it wouldn't have been any different in a society with a gun ban.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

That's exactly my point mate: a thug pulls a gun to your temple cos in a society with no guns he knows you and/or your mates won't have one.
In a society with a gun ban the thugs will still have thir guns, so I don't see why I should deprive law abiding citizen of the right to self defence. Nobody is forcing you to have one, but if you want you can and it can save you and the people around you.

I'm sorry you had such an awful experience, but it wouldn't have been any different in a society with a gun ban.

Pfff, you do not think even for a minute if I had a gun with me at that time the situation would have been any better, now do you? The greatest weapon you have in such a case is psychology, pure and simple. Had I tried to draw a weapon there you can bet the seriousness level would have been driven up threefold. It at least would have become way more unpredictable. Here we had a teen who only had a gun at his disposal to defend his pride. He was small, weak, without that gun I just could have punched him in the face and that would have been that. One reason why I can't stand guns, because they make the greatest whimp a "strong" man. Pathethic.

And the end result of a development of this kind would be that not one Marrokon, but many more would have a gun. You seem to forget that even nuclear weapons resulted not in one side backing down, but an arms race to the very end, with all the costs that involved. Also, the US does not exactly prove your predictions right.
You gotta think outside the individual sitation, Stern. Just because it may be preferrable to have more options in one situation that does not mean that it improves your or your relatives life in the long term. In fact, it may make life much more dangerous in general.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

And the end result of a development of this kind would be that not one Marrokon, but many more would have a gun.

?!

In Switzerland citizens of certain nationalities can never obtain a gun legally.

Grundsätzlich verboten ist der Erwerb, Besitz und das Tragen von Waffen, Munition und dergleichen für Angehörige folgender Staaten:[4] Serbien, Kroatien, Bosnien und Herzegowina, Kosovo, Montenegro, Mazedonien, Türkei, Sri Lanka, Algerien, Albanien. Ausnahmebewilligungen kann nur der Bund erteilen.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by swiss

?!

In Switzerland citizens of certain nationalities can never obtain a gun legally.

See, gun regulation works.

[JG4_Helofly]

Originally Posted by swiss

?!

In Switzerland citizens of certain nationalities can never obtain a gun legally.

Wrong. Look at the words "Grundsätzlich" and "Ausnahmebewilligung". This article is outdated. It had been introduced to prevent people from countrys in conflict, to continue the fight in Switzerland.
Completly stupid article btw.

But could everyone answer the following question: What is better. A few hundred dollars stolen in a waffle shop, or a dead teenager?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Pfff, you do not think even for a minute if I had a gun with me at that time the situation would have been any better, now do you? The greatest weapon you have in such a case is psychology, pure and simple. Had I tried to draw a weapon there you can bet the seriousness level would have been driven up threefold. It at least would have become way more unpredictable. Here we had a teen who only had a gun at his disposal to defend his pride.

The first thing you're taught when handling a firearm is that you don't have to draw it out at any given occasion, if you do is only because you need to use it. You dealt with a small thug, plain and simple, and the only thing you could have done is disarm him (Krav Maga is one of the finest forms of self defence for this), and as much as he might have felt strong behind his gun (provided it was real), you did the right thing.
The point is that if he had the doubt that you, your friends or anybody around you could have been armed, he would have thought twice before drawing his gun out.
Only fools and thugs draw pistols out to attack, good guys always use them in defence.

He was small, weak, without that gun I just could have punched him in the face and that would have been that. One reason why I can't stand guns, because they make the greatest whimp a "strong" man. Pathethic.

that is true, but it's also true that there are weaker people like women and elderly that could benefit from the "strength" of a gun. You understand what I mean? I don't think it's nice, but either you play the card of denial and accept that the violent society might strike you at some point, or you cope with it and give yourself a chance.

And the end result of a development of this kind would be that not one Marrokon, but many more would have a gun. You seem to forget that even nuclear weapons resulted not in one side backing down, but an arms race to the very end, with all the costs that involved. Also, the US does not exactly prove your predictions right.
You gotta think outside the individual sitation, Stern. Just because it may be preferrable to have more options in one situation that does not mean that it improves your or your relatives life in the long term. In fact, it may make life much more dangerous in general.

I know, it still remains though that the coward had a mean of being superior to you, and if he was on drugs or had nothing to lose you could have died there and then, and there's no trial, death penalty or apology that would resuscitate you. In Italy we say "It's better to have a bad trial than a good funeral"...

I live in a society that prohibits the ownership of most handguns, but this doesn't make me feel any safer, gangs and thugs are more aggressive here, and in two different situations I had to thank my Krav Maga training (once in London and once in Liverpool).
People tend to avoid bothering me cos I'm quite a big bloke, but it happened that three or four black teens came at me with a knife demanding my wallet and watch. In a way you're right, psychology is very important (they're often more scared than you). I simply said "oh is that all you have? You're gonna need something bigger with me mate"...
I dunno where it came out from, probably because my brain was confident enough to assess the situation and know I would have got away with the situation if the S**t hit the fan.
The first time (in London) the guy actually came too close for comfort, and I disarmed him (his arm made a horrible snapping sound when I twisted it), the second time (in Liverpool, it was 3 white druggies), they simply turned around and fled..

I didn't need a gun and had I had one I wouldn't have pulled it out, because the situation didn't require it, that's the difference.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by JG4_Helofly

But could everyone answer the following question: What is better. A few hundred dollars stolen in a waffle shop, or a dead teenager?

A dead teenager, you can be sure he will never rob again or potentially kill someone.

[Sternjaeger II]

I don't advocate the killing of people, guilty or not, I'm even against the death penalty, but I surely won't shed a tear for someone that looked for trouble and got it served with a side of lead..