SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by nearmiss

The man in Colorado had 30 grenades in his apartment rigged with gasoline to cause further disater, if his apartment was entered.

If that guy didn't have access to a gun... what do you think he would have been able to do with 30 grenades in a dark theatre? He would have killed and maimed 100s more. If every grenade killed 8 people the count would have been 240 dead. That would be a reasonable assumption for a densely crowded theatre.

He could have stood off in a dark corner and tossed grenades into the crowd. It would have taken too long for people to recognize what was happening or who was doing it. Average Americans have never experienced that kind of terror attack.

Take away the guns and the killers will find a way...especially if they are unrestrained by any reprisal power from their victims.

Don't even think it's the cops driving the neighborhood that are going to stop anything. What took the cops so long to stop the Columbine and Aurora massacre..oops they didn't stop them. They waited for the shooting to stop. The cops were in protect thyself mode. The cops waited for the shooting to stop...then they did their number one specialty of herding the sheeple.

There are numerous criminal combative situations that take place all the time and the criminals are subdued by some average citizen with a gun. Those crimes prevented are reported locally, but national media doesn't report them.

+ 100.

That idiot could have killed a lot more had he actually used some brains: if you really want to go on a shooting spree and really kill you'd need an AK and hollow points, not a 5.56 and FMJ ammo.
To me this is the sign of an alienated individual who grew up playing with FPS and wanting to be really behind a rifle and feel the thrill to shoot people. He didn't probably care about killing as many as possible, he probably only wanted to get his twisted fantasies to the real world, and as Nearmiss said, had he not readily available guns he could have used any other mean.

A killer is a killer, a gun is only a tool of choice.

[Verhängnis]

Unfortunately, I don't see everyday gun owners committing massacres... should we ban the entry of Muslims into the the country because a few decide to go off their nut and blow themselves up?

[Sternjaeger II]

Unfortunately, I don't see everyday gun owners committing massacres... should we ban the entry of Muslims into the the country because a few decide to go off their nut and blow themselves up?

as much as I wholeheartedly agree with you, watch out for the stuff you talk about here, this can easily get out of control..

[von Pilsner]

Originally Posted by Verhängnis

Unfortunately, I don't see everyday gun owners committing massacres...

That's because the moment they commit a massacre you no longer classify them as an everyday gun owner, the difference being one shot a bunch of people with his legally purchased guns while the other did not.

[mazex]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

+ 100.

That idiot could have killed a lot more had he actually used some brains: if you really want to go on a shooting spree and really kill you'd need an AK and hollow points, not a 5.56 and FMJ ammo.
To me this is the sign of an alienated individual who grew up playing with FPS and wanting to be really behind a rifle and feel the thrill to shoot people. He didn't probably care about killing as many as possible, he probably only wanted to get his twisted fantasies to the real world, and as Nearmiss said, had he not readily available guns he could have used any other mean.

A killer is a killer, a gun is only a tool of choice.

Well, in my opinion something has to be behind the fact that there are 7 times more people being murdered in USA per 100.000 citizens compared to a country like Sweden where I live? It can't be that people are seven time more evil in the USA?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

In Sweden the most common murder weapon is a knife as firearms have been regulated for ages... Sure - the "real" criminals have no problem getting hold of firearms, and even automatic ones - but the people that are having some kind of mental trauma are not going to have an easy way of getting even a pistol, much less an AK... So when some poor kid with problems get an idea like this they will have no easy way of getting hold of a firearm without a lot of connections that they don't have.

Then there are actually a lot of firearms around in Sweden as a lot of people like to hunt and there is no problem getting a license for that, but a hunting rifle is not well suited for a down town or school "killing spree".

And of course - a country like Norway has a similar legislation and murder rate like Sweden but a man like Breivik still could do a horrible deed in the same fashion, so strict weapon control will naturally not stop the "real lunatics"... But I think that it will stop a lot of disoriented teenagers from doing something really stupid... When you have a firearm there is always a risk that you will use it in a situation where it only escalates a minor crime into a murder. A friend of mine has license for pistols and have a number of guns at home (among them a .44 Magnum), just like many US citizens. In Sweden that is not that common - and almost considered a bit "weird", but having a hunting rifle is not. One late night he woke up by a sound and saw someone trying to steal his Maserati. His first thought was to open his weapon locker and bring out his Baretta or .44 (just like most americans would have done I guess, defending their property?). Then he thought some more and called the police and stayed in the house with the lights out and they got there and cought the criminals... What do you think would have happened if he would have walked out with a gun in his hand? What if the car theif would have had a gun? Was the Maserati that was fully insured worth dying for? Was the car thief doing a crime that was worth getting killed for? What would have happened in a similar situation in Texas? The dilemma was unusual here as 99% of the Swedes don't have a Baretta in the wardrobe and calling the police would be the only option - or going out with the kitchen knife ... In my opinion a car is never worth someones life, even though he has a nice car

Then we had a conscription army in Sweden up until a few years ago so almost all male Swedes know how to handle an automatic rifle well - including me... I still feel no need to have one in my wardrobe even though I had a good time in the army as I really liked the shooting exercises, especially night time M240 shooting with tracers etc