SHOOTING at the OLYMPICS

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by WTE_Galway

Firearms as toys, for sport, as a hobby, as a collectable or for hunting all seem reasonable and relatively sane.

The idea that when the tea baggers and Palin takeover the US government and as a result the US military, a popular uprising of patriotic Americans armed with assault rifles and hand guns will be able to oust them is just insanity.

..and you think that a revolution would happen in such a black or white scenario? Do you really think that the whole Army would obey the Government? Do you guys have televisions? Are you seeing what's happening in Syria?

Originally Posted by Zorin

There is a HUGE difference between knowing how to handle a gun and having your personal arsenal at home to be abused at will.

So perhaps get off your high moral ground and take CWMV's outdated quotations from men who never knew modern societies with you.

WE, the poeple who are against fire arms being kept in the hands of civilians, have actually learned from history and embrace the non-violent means of modern democracy, which have been developed by mankind as a lesson learned from history.

You see, you're yet again talking like someone who never really had anything to do with guns. I had to serve in the Army (I was the last generation that had to do it compulsory) and I learned to handle a gun(and a machinegun, a mortar, a field cannon, granades and many other amenities). The best thing I've learned from it though is respect and responsibility in the handling of a firearm, because those are the first things your drill sergeant teaches you.
Because of my interest in WW1/WW2 and shooting I have a modest collection of rifles and pistols: it's a fascinating and interesting hobby, but of course to the uneducated it's just "an arsenal". I normally take people like you to the range and let them live the "shooting range experience", where not only you get to shoot firearms of course, but you get to talk with a lot other people who're passionate like myself, just to understand that we're not all deranged lunatics on a spree, but there are many professional, serious and respectable members of society who share a hobby. The bullet coming out of the barrel and hitting the target is only a part of the hobby, there's a lot more into it.

What scares me is the people like you, who don't know about it but feel the urge to say we're doing wrong, and would rather get rid of firearms and not have a problem with it just because it's not their hobby. I could argue that using a simulator or any other game that allows you to deliberately shoot at stacks of people is wrong because it desensitises young people to violence...

And history says you're wrong btw, and there are more than a couple of examples, like the one below...

Originally Posted by chantaje

just to make a shitty comparisson , in my country 40 years ago there was a military goverment, of course some tried to resist with rifles. today human rigths organizations are searching for theirs bones.. and my country military and intelligence agencies have no comparisson to the most militarized state of the world

...so it's better to bow to a violent dictator than trying and fight him? Lybians and Syrians might have a lesson or two to teach us..

[Zorin]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

..and you think that a revolution would happen in such a black or white scenario? Do you really think that the whole Army would obey the Government? Do you guys have televisions? Are you seeing what's happening in Syria?



You see, you're yet again talking like someone who never really had anything to do with guns. I had to serve in the Army (I was the last generation that had to do it compulsory) and I learned to handle a gun(and a machinegun, a mortar, a field cannon, granades and many other amenities). The best thing I've learned from it though is respect and responsibility in the handling of a firearm, because those are the first things your drill sergeant teaches you.
Because of my interest in WW1/WW2 and shooting I have a modest collection of rifles and pistols: it's a fascinating and interesting hobby, but of course to the uneducated it's just "an arsenal". I normally take people like you to the range and let them live the "shooting range experience", where not only you get to shoot firearms of course, but you get to talk with a lot other people who're passionate like myself, just to understand that we're not all deranged lunatics on a spree, but there are many professional, serious and respectable members of society who share a hobby. The bullet coming out of the barrel and hitting the target is only a part of the hobby, there's a lot more into it.

What scares me is the people like you, who don't know about it but feel the urge to say we're doing wrong, and would rather get rid of firearms and not have a problem with it just because it's not their hobby. I could argue that using a simulator or any other game that allows you to deliberately shoot at stacks of people is wrong because it desensitises young people to violence...

And history says you're wrong btw, and there are more than a couple of examples, like the one below...



...so it's better to bow to a violent dictator than trying and fight him? Lybians and Syrians might have a lesson or two to teach us..

Open a history book and read about the demise of the GDR. That is how a society fights for their freedoms. Not a single shot fired by the people and they were facing life long imprisonment or death. That is admirable behavior, not running round in a wild mob armed to the teeth.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Zorin

Open a history book and read about the demise of the GDR. That is how a society fights for their freedoms. Not a single shot fired by the people and they were facing life long imprisonment or death. That is admirable behavior, not running round in a wild mob armed to the teeth.

That. And not only in the GDR, but in the whole of the eastern european countries as well, with the exception of Romania.

Want to know what happens to a society that is armed? Look no further then Lybia or the rest of the arab spring revolutions, Syria being the latest contender. Mob Rule, death tolls rising, wholesale destruction and after so much blood was shed, the results are the same conditions under a different name.

More freely avaiable weapons in irresponsible hands = rising death toll. That is such an easy equation you need a whole Enceclopedia of arguments to fog this down in a debate.