Q&A, July 25, 2012

[Momod]

Great News Guys, Big thankyou for this update...

[6BL Bird-Dog]

Originally Posted by 6BL Bird-Dog

Thanks for the response both to you and to Luthier.
I quote here from a previous post purely to give relevant information on the Xfire issues:

"From experiance I got various results with different card combo`s single and X-Fire.
1x AMD Saphire Toxic 5870 Oc, poor frame rates and micro studders,had to use medium settings .
2x AMD Saphire Toxic 5870 Oc,best ever performance when the early patch release enabled X-Fire,Max settings, good high frame rates and only the microstudders lower altitudes.Ruined when a small patch was bought out within hours because of graphics anomolys with Nvidia systems.
1xXFX HD 7970 Black Edition,Improvement on single 5870, but running at Very High in game settings made little difference compared to 2x AMD Saphire Toxic 5870 Oc,frame rates improved slightly.
2xXFX HD 7970 Black Edition,with both last Alpa and Beta patches more or less the same as a single XFX HD 7970 Black Edition performance slightly improved at highest settings.
I tested the same cards and setups on the rig in my sig and did compare performance with RoF and iL2 1946 ,the latter of which does not have X-Fire support.
In Rise of Flight as I Improved my Gpu hardware I was able to increases my quality settings with also an increase in FPS .The 2x AMD Saphire Toxic 5870 Oc performance was slghtly slower than a single XFX HD 7970 Black Edition.
2xXFX HD 7970 Black Edition runs fluidly with all settings at max with the exception of AntAliasing which Inever run above 2x as it murders the fps in ROF.
iL2 1946 ran maxed out on all combinations ,seamlessly on 2xXFX HD 7970 Black Edition, with the Average 60 FPS limited to 60mhz(my native screen res),but max frames are almost always over 1000fps.
The Clod dev team hit the sweet spot once for me on X-fire but have never unfortunately got close since ,well at least for AMD GPU`s.
In Cliffs of Dover`s present state apart from increasing in game video quality settings performance wise X-Fire is not functioning in anyway near to the Early X-Fire patch release which on my system was awesome compared to any patches before or after,the textures looked much better then too if a little bit too bright."

From present performance results Xfire on AMD Gpu`s is well below what was once obtained .
Could you please ask Luthier if the present poor Xfire performance relative to drivers issues with AMD and if so can he work with AMD to optimise the drivers as he is with Nvidia.The boys from the 777 team may be able to provide a known contact access for AMD driver support as they have worked with the Catalyst Crew in order to get a profile optomised for Rise of Flight.
Thanks in Advance for any efforts made.

I have spent the day testing various settings with fraps & the black death track with starting fraps at the beginning of the track then stopping it when the de-winged hirricanes engine comes to rest on the edge of the crator.My in game settings are always set the same.
ie:All at max 1920x1600@60hz Full Screen ,AAx2,AE Filter off,SSAO off with everything else on.Here are the results .
2012-07-25 17:23:21 - Launcher xfire off VS OFF
Frames: 6393 - Time: 158778ms - Avg: 40.264 - Min: 13 - Max: 94
2012-07-25 17:33:38 - Launcher xfire off VS ON
Frames: 6067 - Time: 159495ms - Avg: 38.039 - Min: 13 - Max: 62
2012-07-25 17:54:12 - Launcher xfire default mode VS OFF
Frames: 6288 - Time: 160151ms - Avg: 39.263 - Min: 17 - Max: 65
2012-07-25 18:04:39 - Launcher xfire AFR freindly mode VS OFF
Frames: 6053 - Time: 159839ms - Avg: 37.869 - Min: 15 - Max: 92
2012-07-25 18:15:07 - Launcher xfire Optomised 1x1 mode VS OFF
Frames: 6413 - Time: 159714ms - Avg: 40.153 - Min: 16 - Max: 97
2012-07-25 18:23:57 - Launcher xfire Optomised 1x1 mode VS ON
Frames: 6293 - Time: 160042ms - Avg: 39.321 - Min: 16 - Max: 63
2012-07-25 18:37:49 - Launcher xfire AFR freindly mode VS ON
Frames: 6301 - Time: 159480ms - Avg: 39.510 - Min: 17 - Max: 64
AFR & Optomised 1x1 modes are additional frame rendering modes that can be used by AMD Crossfire.
As the first X-Fire patch worked so well for AMD but caused problems for Nvidia users I was wondering it would be of help for volenteers from the forums with relevant systems to test any further work with Xfire and Sli paralell to any future comunity patch releases without effecting any further general patches.
This would help speed things up if testers reported performance improvements & anomolies direct to the dev team who could reference the problems against the specific GPU types as realy there are only two types on the market:ie:Nvidia & AMD .Disabeling Xfirewould also test single card performance without subjecting the community to the bugs that often arise with graffics when work on Sli & X-Fire is undertaken.
When satisfactory results are achieved then it could be included into the last patch for final beta testing amoungst the community.
I only suggst this as the early X-Fire patch realy rocked for me and if this can be achieved for all multi card users without effecting single card performance then the game will realy take a massive leap in the right direction.

[Pluto]

Originally Posted by Pudfark

How about a "Steam" down loadable patch?
Then what kristorf said.

... dream on and dont forget to take your anti depressants.

[Redroach]

Yeah, now that I have taken my anti-depressants (thanks for the kind words from the low side... never too busy for delievering personal attacks, eh?), I'm STILL disappointed. Somewhat.
I mean, they apparently make some progress on the launcher crash issue and that's something! I've never had any launcher crashes before, but 1C obviously figured that everybody should be in the same boat, if nothing else. So with the last/current patch, I got launcher crashes as well; therefore I'm glad to be informed that they're still working on fixing launcher crashes!
That way, at least it feels like that patch is also made for me and the other guys who just want to play a bit, even if this involves switching off ssao, going down a bit from the very highest settings on a 1 GHz laptop and so on.

Oh, and it seems that we've got at people who can do stuff with e.g. AI radio commands that is vastly superior to anything which has been mounted by 1C ("permission_denied" vs. a big rant and further instructions by the Squad leader... no contest.) - that's at least something. I hope that more quality CoD stuff comes forward by the community since the potential of CoD is still there and people seem to catch up with understanding the inner workings.


P.S.:Now, @ The Church Of Ilya's Eternal Truth | Department Of Holy Inquisition Against The Godless Heretics : Feel free to cut away!

[senseispcc]

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Please take care the actual pope is the boss of the inquisition and you never know the ...silence never cross the holy cross.

[addman]

I wonder, why don't we get the beta patches through steam? Like Skyrim for example, they release their beta patches as an optional download on Steam. Why hassle with these separate, uploaded on dodgy filesharing sites patches? Guess I kinda know the answer to that already but maybe someone else knows better.

P.S Like this

[Force10]

Originally Posted by addman

I wonder, why don't we get the beta patches through steam? Like Skyrim for example, they release their beta patches as an optional download on Steam. Why hassle with these separate, uploaded on dodgy filesharing sites patches? Guess I kinda know the answer to that already but maybe someone else knows better.

P.S Like this

I don't want the beta patches on steam. Once steam patches it, you can never roll back to an earlier patch. Right now I'm using the last retail patch and neither of the last 2 beta patches. That's one of my gripes with steam...not giving you any freedom to choose what version you want to use.

[addman]

Originally Posted by Force10

I don't want the beta patches on steam. Once steam patches it, you can never roll back to an earlier patch. Right now I'm using the last retail patch and neither of the last 2 beta patches. That's one of my gripes with steam...not giving you any freedom to choose what version you want to use.

Please read the link before commenting.

"To partake in the Beta, follow these instructions:

Log into Steam
Click on Steam in the upper menu
Select Settings
Under the Account tab, go to the Beta Participation section and select Change.
A drop down menu will appear. Select Skyrim Beta.
Select OK.
Steam will now restart. After Steam restarts, Skyrim will be updated to the Beta version currently available."

As you can see, it's optional but more convenient than with "external" beta patches. Less confusing for the lesser tech adept if you will.

[PotNoodles]

@David Hayward - You sure do like to start an argument for arguments sake. Why you cannot just leave it alone and let people have their say is beyond me.. I can only think you do it for arguments sake. Can I suggest you message the person if you have to disagree with them because nobody else is interested in it. I was happy to see this post, but as usual we have to sift through all your comments to see what everyone else has wrote.

Thanks for the post Blacksix, I find it encouraging hearing this and looking forwards to this weeks patch.

[Force10]

Originally Posted by addman

Please read the link before commenting.

"To partake in the Beta, follow these instructions:

Log into Steam
Click on Steam in the upper menu
Select Settings
Under the Account tab, go to the Beta Participation section and select Change.
A drop down menu will appear. Select Skyrim Beta.
Select OK.
Steam will now restart. After Steam restarts, Skyrim will be updated to the Beta version currently available."

As you can see, it's optional but more convenient than with "external" beta patches. Less confusing for the lesser tech adept if you will.

Am I missing something? I didn't see anywhere that says if the beta patch doesn't work for you, steam will allow you to roll back to the previous version.

Maybe you could read my post before making snarky comments. You would see my issue is about not being able to roll back to earlier versions. Show me in the link you posted where it says that smart guy.