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Old 07-22-2012, 06:01 PM
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personally i doubt if there going to make them exactly the same
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the manual of the BF-109E says that the plane is a heavy tail so during take off you have to push your stick fully forward and to the right....do that in COD and soon you will be dead very soon
the plane it seems very unstable
and the rudder it sucks
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Old 07-22-2012, 06:02 PM
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B6 statet that they are aware that there are issues with FM left. It´s WIP.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:27 PM
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B6 statet that they are aware that there are issues with FM left. It´s WIP.
Why would Ilya release betas if they're not interested in our findings? The FM's have been a WIP for several betas and the devs clearly don't test them in house, otherwise they would be correct by now.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:31 PM
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Why would Ilya release betas if they're not interested in our findings? The FM's have been a WIP for several betas and the devs clearly don't test them in house, otherwise they would be correct by now.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:53 PM
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But this would be very strange. If something is not influenced by different systems, then it is the flight-model.

If they want us to test the flightmodels alone, i can't understand why. I am sure they have easier ways to test them (graphs, datas form the game, etc.) than we have. So it wouldn't make sense at all to let us do the testing...
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Old 07-22-2012, 08:24 PM
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Yes, that is the way is should be, no question. However, the Flight Models have repeatedly been wrong with each retail and beta release, so clearly this is not the case.

I am confident that IvanK supplied the devs with the correct Flight Model data, as Ilya has gratefully acknowledged in this forum. However, not only did Ilya choose not to implement this FM data in the public release back in March, 2011....he has chosen to diverge further from the correct Flight Model data further and further with each successive retail and beta release.

Prior to the second-to-last 1.06 beta release, Ilya released through Black Six some selected RAF FM charts that were clearly incorrect, yet despite a collective outcry from this 1C community he opted to implement them anyway. At the time, those of us that voiced our concerns were told by other members of this forum "to stop complaining; it's a WIP -- the beta hadn't been released yet, so how do you know it will be wrong?" As if we can't read a flawed chart. True to form, beta (alpha?) was released -- it was a disaster. A "Hotfix" was quicky issued which made it a launchable disaster.

Now we have beta 1.07. Hurricanes don't start. Spitfire Mark I's don't start. Go to 12 lbs boost and you get less-than-87 octane performance for less than 2 minutes before the engine blows -- and remember to go to Full Lean Mixture while you do it. Ilya released this nonsense??? No mention in the beta readme notes. Oops.....no readme notes.

This is why I fully support anyone such as the OP who takes the trouble to do the testing that the devs SHOULD be doing -- while the rest of the 1C "community" sit on the sidelines at snipe at the effort.
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Old 07-22-2012, 09:01 PM
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English is fried in the online, that is the result, the balance went from "red heavy" to "blue heavy" (understand red's too light performance)

I claim it should attach to what was at the time for this is realistic sim.

I'm not a pro "sides shall be balaced". That's why team work is there, it can do the difference, it really does I can attest.
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Old 07-22-2012, 07:12 PM
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personally i doubt if there going to make them exactly the same [...]
Agree, they have to get it about ok, would be enough. I also read the spitfire had a very particular way of spinning, it did it quite eratically, however that was in the very early stage of its development (by 1938 ) and I'm not sure how it went off later.

All in all, it is said that for the time, it was a very good airplane (the Spitfire).
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personally i doubt if there going to make them exactly the same
for example
the manual of the BF-109E says that the plane is a heavy tail so during take off you have to push your stick fully forward and to the right....do that in COD and soon you will be dead very soon
the plane it seems very unstable
and the rudder it sucks
Shiver me timbers! I'm a staunch and obsessive "do-it-like-the-real-thing" guy, but if this were EVER implemented, we'd probably not be able to stem the wave of complaints rushing in. It scares me to death right now!
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