Another pointless poll...

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

I think you meant to say that I said 'put a gun to your head'? Right

My apology for my writing, English is not my native language so sometimes I make mistakes.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Are you saying that giving the customer a 'choice' to buy or not buy DLC will make them want to shoot themselves?

The consumer want shot themselves ?

No, I´m saying that buying DLC the consumers are shooting themselves, concretely in a foot.

The DLC business model implies a change in the seller/consumer relation ship that is finally reflected in the product, in positive ways and negative ways too.

We as consumers should consider the whole picture, the bad and the good, only by that can make a smart decision.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

If 'true' someone better tell all the people living in a free market system to beware!

Beware, in a free market there bad deals too

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

No, I´m saying that buying DLC the consumers are shooting themselves, concretely in a foot.

Ah ok, well as long as your realise that is your opinion and not fact than we can agree to disagree.

Originally Posted by Buchon

The DLC business model implies a change in the seller/consumer relation ship that is finally reflected in the product, in positive ways and negative ways too.

Not sure if this was presented by you as some sort of proof in support of your first statment? If so I don't see it as proof as much as life in general!

Originally Posted by Buchon

We as consumers should consider the whole picture, the bad and the good, only by that can make a smart decision.

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Originally Posted by Buchon

Beware, in a free market there bad deals too

Oh yes, no system is perfect, just many find the free market to be the best system

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Ah ok, well as long as your realise that is your opinion and not fact than we can agree to disagree.

Of course, that its only my opinion and nothing more.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Not sure if this was presented by you as some sort of proof in support of your first statment? If so I don't see it as proof as much as life in general!

That is my point of view based on the experience from see the evolution of this business model through the years in gaming in general, and in the products delivers by it.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a standalone WWI game ?

It does not.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Oh yes, no system is perfect, just many find the free market to be the best system

Yeah, put me with them

[Walrus1]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

From my understanding some of the lead programers left or were fired from the team for financial reasons, less then a year from the release.

Really bad move.

That would explain some things.

How did you come about that 'understanding?'

[Chivas]

I would like to see a mix of the two developments business plan. I would gladly pay extra for an aircraft like the Lancaster. Personally I'm glad COD doesn't use the ROF game engine. I don't particularly like the ROF terrain engine, and think the complex COD game engine will be far more flexible in regards to FMB capabilities if they can ever get it optimized. Time will tell. ROF has only the one real theater and had to use an aircraft based business model while the new IL-2 series is more suited to a Sequel business model with the option of selling more complex aircraft. Although all the new IL-2 series aircraft are quite complex.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Of course, that its only my opinion and nothing more.

S!

Originally Posted by Buchon

That is my point of view based on the experience from see the evolution of this business model through the years in gaming in general, and in the products delivers by it.

Roger that.. Which differs from mine and others

Originally Posted by Buchon

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a standalone WWI game ?

It does not.

Not sure what you mean by stand alone? Are you refering to the need to log in to use the game? Just like we have to log into STEAM before playing CoD? If so, alot of games do this these days.. Or do you mean stand alone as in it has offline capabilites? In that RoF does have an offline campain to play

Originally Posted by Buchon

Yeah, put me with them

So your on my side?

[Buchon]

Here goes my English knowledge again

Fixed :

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is the beauty of it! In that 777 provides you a choice! Some will review it and consider it a smart decision and some will not. But at least we have a choice! Which is more than what some games provide.

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game ?

It does not.



Maybe your point of view, as someones here, is based on the flight simulator genre, where Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons was a good DLC offer for example, so the DLC policy have not a negative approach.

But my point of view is more general, the DLC policy as unique method of revenue have negative consequences in the quality and value of the product and finally stuck his development.

I don´t consider RoF as a success, success was IL2 1946 for example, for me RoF its a stuck game, there no more future there other than buy the next plane.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by Buchon

Does 777 provides the choice of buy a full boxed WWI game ?

It does not.

But it does

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Th.../dp/B002CQAPWS

Originally Posted by Buchon

Maybe your point of view, as someones here, is based on the flight simulator genre, where Microsoft Flight Simulator add-ons was a good DLC offer for example, so the DLC policy have not a negative approach.

But my point of view is more general, the DLC policy as unique method of revenue have negative consequences in the quality and value of the product and finally stuck his development.

That is not a good comparsion IMHO, becuase 777 DLC is different from the way MSFS did it.. Where all of the 777 DLC is produced by 777, and MSFS had both MS and 3rd party DLC. Where alot if not most of the 3rd part DLC was not worth the 'free' price they charged for it (what you called negative consequences in the quality)

Originally Posted by Buchon

I don´t consider RoF as a success, success was IL2 1946 for example, for me RoF its a stuck game, there no more future there other than buy the next plane.

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

Of course you forgot to mention that they asked you to buy it while saying that it might not go ahead and if it didnt you would not get your money back nice of you to forget that...!

[Buchon]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

But it does

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Flight-Th.../dp/B002CQAPWS

Wut ? ... so someone is selling his copy for 250$, amazing ...

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

That is not a good comparsion IMHO, becuase 777 DLC is different from the way MSFS did it.. Where all of the 777 DLC is produced by 777, and MSFS had both MS and 3rd party DLC. Where alot if not most of the 3rd part DLC was not worth the 'free' price they charged for it (what you called negative consequences in the quality)

That´s just what is wrong with 777, they are the only and the one DLC maker, it´ll be better if they let do this to others and put their effort in bring that RoF engine to 2012.

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

Based on your statment is it safe to assume that you are not aware of the fact that 777 is in the process of adding a new 'channel' map that will include the sea planes.. Which is in a nut shell what IL-2 did via it's sequals.. New maps and new planes.. So, if your consider RoF stuck, than you would also have to say IL-2 was/is stuck

I'm aware of the channel map and the consequent´s more planes

But as I said a better use of effort would be concentrate in the engine development and his features as IL-2 does, and sell the high steps forward along with new theaters to have revenue, as BoM, that´s a road map with future due the constant development of new features and new api as DX11.

A new map for a old engine is not a development to forward but add content to what you already have.

If your business consist in nothing more than sell DLCs then the development gets stuck, guess is where they are now, and there no future other that make a channel map to continue making more planes for a stuck DX9 engine.