SoWC:BoB Multisquad Campaign Starting

[macro]

Was pretty smooth this week but cant help but feel like target practice for 109 in spit 1a and hurri. Both of the missions i played in were ju87's coming in low with fighters diving on them. Left us with no chance of fighting them off. Need spit2 imo oly red aircraft that can compete with 109.

Or am i missing the point? Is it supposed to be like this?

[5./JG27.Farber]

You actually saw Stuka heading North "low"? Or heading South low after an attack? Someone else said this and checked the waypoints. None of the Stuka way points are low before the attack. They are only low after the attack, when they have dived, andare escaping.

[macro]

Same difference mate. The earliest report of ea we had was off the coast of deal a bit south (east of dover). We headed towards dover from littlestone and saw 87's attacking hawkinge with 109's perched nicely above them. And even if we were level it doesnt make a difference. Cant follow 109 in spit 1 or hurri all they have to do is pull up and roll over. Makes it near impossible to cover eachother if cant geet anywhere near the speed of a 109

Just feels like it set up for blue to kill reds in helpless planes while we try to kill ai's and not being able to engage real pilots

Sorry to sound like im whining as never done it here before.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Please understand I cannot convey emotion well in this text and that I am not "laying down the law" or trying in anyway to be rude or "tell you how it is". I am only trying to explain so that you can make sense of it.

Originally Posted by macro

Same difference mate.

You might think so but from a mission making point of view and from what was said I dont think it is, that stukas made a low level attack, I thought there was a problem. The way I read it the stuka came in at say 500m's and just skip bombed, however this was not the case, they came in at a standed stuka height and dive bombed before escaping on the deck which is completely realistic. I was lead to believe something was going wrong in the mission.

Ive checked the mission waypoints and they are correct and it has also been confirmed by witnesses that the low level part was the stuka escaping after their attack.

Originally Posted by macro

The earliest report of ea we had was off the coast of deal a bit south (east of dover). We headed towards dover from littlestone and saw 87's attacking hawkinge with 109's perched nicely above them. And even if we were level it doesnt make a difference.

Well thats tactical. The blue mission was a frei-jagd. We didnt find anything until we (5./JG27 anyway) found the Stuka. Personally I didnt see one single enemy fighter.

Originally Posted by macro

Cant follow 109 in spit 1 or hurri all they have to do is pull up and roll over. Makes it near impossible to cover eachother if cant geet anywhere near the speed of a 109

We cannot control or alter the flight models made by MG.

Originally Posted by macro

Just feels like it set up for blue to kill reds in helpless planes while we try to kill ai's and not being able to engage real pilots

We tried to make it historically and realisticly accurate. As was noted before in the explination of the campaign "for those that wish to score it" where the "who wins" and "who loses" explination was given. As we all know, the Luftwaffe will "lose". So for me personally its really the experience of it that holds any value.

Perhaps your feeling like an RAF fighter pilot in August 1940? Stretched to the limit and frustrated?

If you have any suggestions, please send me a PM. I promise to read it but I dont promise to act on it.

Originally Posted by macro

Sorry to sound like im whining as never done it here before.

I spoke with you on ATAG TS3 before and you seemed reasonable. Just remember, Ive tried to make this as enjoyable but also realisticaly and historically accurate at the same time. I cant please everyone.


I think you will see the blues having a tougher time of it over the next four missions.

[macro]

Dont get me wrong mate i still enjoy it and appreciate the efforts you goin through. Just makeing the point that i (and lot of the others that were on ts) cant fight 109's in those junk planes. The target is the bombers. If it is done so we cant engage fighters then i understand.

I am a reasonable person, just some feedback that all. Dont think writing this makes me unreasonable does it? Sorry if it came accross that way

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by macro

Dont get me wrong mate i still enjoy it and appreciate the efforts you goin through. Just makeing the point that i (and lot of the others that were on ts) cant fight 109's in those junk planes. The target is the bombers. If it is done so we cant engage fighters then i understand.

You can engage ALL TARGETS of oppurtunity! - just like a real war!

Originally Posted by macro

I am a reasonable person, just some feedback that all. Dont think writing this makes me unreasonable does it? Sorry if it came accross that way

No it didnt come across wrong. I just wanted to understand and be understood.

[macro]

Talk on ts later mate language barrier here dont want you getting wrong idea about what im saying

[David198502]

shot down three hurricanes yesterday....killed two pilots, and i shot off the left wing of the third hurricane, and the pilot bailed...yet i didnt get the credit for even one kill...no points whatsoever.

normally when playing online, i dont even look at the stats, but here in the campaign, i recognized, that you guys made a really really nice and detailed stats page, just like it was on warbirdsofprey server in 1946...so its a shambles that its not working correctly.
if i looked at the stats of the pilots i killed, there it was recognized that i killed them actually, but still, i dont get any credit for it...well, it was fun yesterday, but i think it was not that much fun for the red side.my impression was, that the amount of blue pilots was higher than on the red side.furthermore, the majority of red pilots were in hurricanes, which is a sitting duck,....maybe they need more targets(bombers) to have as much fun as the blue side.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Thats because it IS the WoP stats generator by WW. The server admin is looking into the problem. The important thing is we have the raw database! So we should be able to establish everything, its just how the its being interpretated isnt quite right at the moment.

We'd love to give the reds more bombers to shoot at but we cant as it would make their game a power point presentation. Weve scaled it back from what we originally intended to use.

We would have also have liked to have more clouds

[David198502]

personally i wouldnt recommend clouds,..on atag, we get many lags through to them and besides, have a look at this:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthread.php?t=33140