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07-07-2012, 12:44 AM
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07-07-2012, 01:02 AM
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07-07-2012, 01:37 AM
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Some of these posts are so scary/funny that it's not clear what the authors motivations are- delusional or trolling.
Hitler was a gangster, the rule of law in Germany was trashed by the Nazis and it spread throughout their corrupt rule of the nations they vanguished. His regime used the genuine grievances of the over-reaching reparation demands of the allied forces at the Treaty of Versailles, together with the misplaced belief among many in the German military that they had been betrayed in WW1, to poisonous ends and created a paranoid mindset among the German population that the rest of the world was against them. Hitler knew what he was doing and was ruthless in his execution of the operations he undertook to reach his goal, whether it was eliminating real or imagined political enemies as well as his mobilisation of his armed forces for wars of conquest. Goering admitted as much after the war when he described the ease with which they motivated the common folk of the population for war by creating the perception of impending peril. To fall into a 'Hitler was evil therefore Stalin was good' or vice-versa is naive, they were both murderous despots who caused unbelievable harm to those under their governments. Eisenhower and Roosevelt judged the mood in the USA was not present for continued war in Europe against the USSR and they still had to defeat the Japanese. The British were exhausted and bankrupt- their energies were more focused on improving the plight of their families at home than looking for another fight. Things rapidly settled down into the cold war with the nations caught between east and west bearing the worst of the suffering. I believe perhaps the most telling thing that illustrates the difference in the cultures of the major nations that fought in WW2 was what happened to the leader of Britain. He was voted out in the general election and a Labor government was voted in- no armed coup, no 'night of the long knives', no purges, no house arrest. By the way, I mostly fly online on the ATAG server and tend to fly red to balance the armies.... plus I'm rubbish in a 109 and can't bomb very well. |
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07-07-2012, 02:57 AM
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I honestly give up. I surrender. This is stupid.
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07-07-2012, 09:06 AM
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In international politics there's a known axioma that any country is following its own national interest (which, sometimes is not really its own, but an internal or even external 3rd private party interest.. read corporate and illegal associations interests actually, presented to the masses in a form which greatly appeal them, in order to get their full support.. and nothing better to fulfill this role than the nationalistic card, the ancestral "it's us or them") and to expect anything else would be simply folly..
sure thing, when right international laws and rights coincide with their own interest, they'll follow it claiming it out loud that they are acting the literal "international laws", but as soon as those laws can not be used to cover their own interests, they won't have second thoughts any moment, and just do what they really want to do, sometimes even claiming that they are actually acting in the "spirit" of the international laws and righteousness.. it was the same in antiquity, and from then on, nothing really changed, not in society or forms of government, not in justice or laws, nor in national or international politics.. now regarding germany.. do you consider the german people as stupid? do you really think they followed Hitler blindly in '39? there was a huge national frustration caused by the way their country was treated after WWI, huge chunks of their country being taken away and being forced to pay immense war compensations, which economically suffocated their country.. what would you do in their place?continue to suffer and be humiliated, down on your knees, or stand up and fight or die for your right to an all sides acceptable solution at least? without this national widespread grievance, actually induced by the rapacious behavior of the WWI victors which sought a personal solution in their favor rather than a real solution equitable for all involved parts, Hitler would have gained no support, and would have achieved nothing. you know what the old saying goes.. what you sow is what you reap.. beside this, as we all know, the victory is always written by the victors.. as romans were saying, vae victis.. and they really did knew what they were talking about.. isn't it?!! there is talking around the internet that actually Poland was behaving aggressively, knowing itself backed up by France and Great Britain (which in turn were actually "supporting" Poland because it fit their ruthless interest, which was to have Germany react and start the war, providing them a splendid casus belli to use it by pushing the nationalistic lever of a "right war" in order to gain the support of their people). Remember the germans claiming that actually polish border guards attacked german border guards? of course, pointed as german propaganda after the war.. but one has to ask himself why actually germany would need to masquerade this, as the following point is a much stonger casus belli for them than this one.. same thing US did to get itself into WWII, by pushing Japan to unacceptable negotiation terms, and when seeing that the japans were stubbornly continuing the negotiations, cutting them completely off by stopping all american petrol exports to Japan, practically putting them to chose between an economic death and war? Not to mention about the rumors about Pearl Harbor, with strong resemblance into Vietnam's casus belli (Gulf of Tonkin incident) and.. 9/11 ?!! there are also rumors about atrocities and mass executions of german population from the old german territories given to Poland after WWI, presented by the germans with documents and pictures? again pointed out as german propaganda after the war.. but one has to ask himself why most of the german concentration camps were actually placed into.. Poland?!! and on and on.. german widespread hate against jewish and the talking about the british-jewish WWI pact (jews would help brits win WWI by dragging US along and ruining german economy, in exchange of the british support for creating the Israel state into the heart of the arab territories.. sounds familiar to you?)and in-between wars jewish anti-german economic propaganda, which in turn pumped up german's population hate against the jews and responded by boycotting jewish stores through the whole Germany (again, does it not rings a bell?!!), claims that most of the holocaust actually never happened as actually germans had never had mass execution camps and the pictures of skeletal living or dead bodies were in fact dysentery victims, claims about western allied mass murdering camps (Eisenhower's Death Camps - killing 1.7 million german war prisoners through starvation which were refused PoW status and given the DEF status to get them outside Haga's convention's wing, and the scandal with Patton which bluntly refused to do it, and released at once all the german prisoners his army had, sending them at home), the facts about the eastern post-war slave labor camps from Russia, the inhuman earth-leveling bombardment of german cities and civil population with mass murder weapons (phosphor bombs), the Nurenberg farce trial (see Donitz case in which, despite all their efforts, they couldn't sentence him to death for crimes against the humanity due to the Germany's submarine war, as even allied high ranked commanders as Chester Nimitz testified against it and in Doenitz'es favor) this, etc., etc. of course, all denied, unrecognized and pointed out as german propaganda after the war.. as I've said before, the history is written by the victors, but yet.. in the XXIst century is a little bit harder to hide the truth and cover all the traces than it was before.. it might be just propaganda as allies are claiming .. and again, it might not, and be just post-war victors' propaganda.. as most of the times, the truth might even actually be somewhere in-between (oh, the gray shades of life).. we have not lived those times, so we have to dig up the truth from all the evidence we can get our hands on, and be able to use our logic to discern between words and facts.. just like when studying ancient history or.. a legal case  a sane mind has always to wonder, and look everywhere and listen to everything in its pursue of the knowledge of truth.. qui prodest?!! 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07-07-2012, 10:43 AM
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too bad your sig doesn't reflect that thought though....
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07-07-2012, 10:52 AM
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the fact of your sig
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07-07-2012, 07:26 AM
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Declaration of war against the Nazi Germany was a defensive act based on what kind of havoc was going on in the Third Reich from 1933 onwards. This has nothing to do with what planes anyone prefers in a flight simulator in 2012 but I find some posts here hilarious. Yours No.5 is quality.  As Blakduk says, I can't believe these opinions are ment seriously. People have got very very very short memory.
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