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Old 06-17-2008, 12:44 PM
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Well, that's why it would be a compromise. No mod discussion outside of the one thread, and any attempts to do so get snipped and the snippee pays a fair and balanced price.
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Old 06-17-2008, 12:52 PM
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Well, that's why it would be a compromise. No mod discussion outside of the one thread, and any attempts to do so get snipped and the snippee pays a fair and balanced price.
Hm, that's exactly my message:
The way it is already IS a great compromise. What other crack is promoted so much in the open? What would it help to post that here, too, other than to have 1C, UBI and MG agree, that they can't do anything against it?

That's what I mean with respect.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:34 PM
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So what do you really want Bearcat?

Me? I want to fly as much as I can.. I wish I had more time in the day...

As for you.. well you can do what you want to. All I am saying is that the debate or the conversation or whatever you want to call it needs to shift from "Oooo look at all the pretty mods." "But they are hacks and illegal" "Are not" "Are too" "ARE NOT" "ARE TOO" to either just enjoying the sim or thinking of other things that might make the sim better... IMO it is a meaningless point how you or anyone else feels about the mods... because they are here.
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:41 PM
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Falke, it is an alternative to what you seem to be complaining about here. I could go either way.

Pike (last page)::
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Well, Like it or not it has certainly breathed new life into an older Sim and I suspect it will continue for some time yet.

One point though.....I think that given Oleg's resources and time constraints....now we have people all over the world simultaneously producing new maps etc which Oleg's team would have neither the time, people nor money to do in such a short timespan. I'm sure if he could have done them he would have eventually. If I were him I would just be quietly contented about my achievements and legacy......I can see one day in the future when there will be statues dedicated to him as the founder of modern flight sims if his work continues at this quality and rate.

I also don't quite understand the view on cheating, because you only play with your friends whom, I would have thought, would have no wish to cheat you. So any 'cheaters' would end up banned and with no-one to play with anyway.

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Mod cheating is a potential theoretic threat to anonymous public servers, especially to Newbies to the sim before they find friends to play with. However, as of now it seems the old rumours of the "online" sim's demise had been greatly exaggerated....so far...

Beautifully said Pike. Those are not just "nice words," you also help us prove false the idea that modders or mod users in general are insulting Oleg on the forums. Perhaps some are out of honest frustration or dishonest jealousy. I can see the breathing of new life into the sim. Looking at the simhq boards, it seems there are people buying the sim specifically with the intention of modding up -- as a replacement for EAW perhaps (not sure).
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Old 06-17-2008, 01:48 PM
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The points presented in this discussions are all valid.


The crack is illegal. That's a fact - no debate will change that.

The mods are not illegal in general, but they won't be officially supported and some of them use copyrighted material.

The mods are there, nobody will change that either.

The peoples opinions will always be different and that is not meaningless.


So, to help you out of this, the only way to stop this debate once and for all would be to let this thread die and discuss it somewhere else. As you put it, there are the ones who just enjoy this sim and there are those who enjoy the mods.
Accordingly there is a forum for the mods and official forums for the game. If you really insist to discuss the mods here amongst people who may not like it, will I have your support when I start a thread at the mod-boards where we all keep reminding ourselves that the crack is illegal? Wouldn't that support your idea, too?
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Old 06-17-2008, 04:17 PM
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Old 06-17-2008, 06:53 PM
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I wonder what the on-line population (growth or decline) has been sense the widespread use of "the mods" was introduced?

I understand the point of letting this thread die...and maybe no one will see this comment (LOL). And I was thinking about posting this on the "IL21946 population thread", but they seem to be on a way different trend of thought, so...

People have said that the mods have been good for "new" sales of IL2 1946, and yet if you are to believe the "stats" on the number of players "on-line" their seems to be a decrease (?) in participants...

I'm not trying to prove any point of view, I'm genuinely curious...
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:18 PM
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People have said that the mods have been good for "new" sales of IL2 1946, and yet if you are to believe the "stats" on the number of players "on-line" their seems to be a decrease (?) in participants...

I'm not trying to prove any point of view, I'm genuinely curious...
Modding has created new "word of mouth" sales according to some forum statements, but beyond those statements we won't know if its enough to counteract normal decrease in sim sales near the end of the sim's life. Overall the playing population does not care about personal stats, anymore than people don't care to fill out census forms.

Most players play offline, or if online most play on servers far beyond the famous HyperLobby Stats. From looking at the depth of the AAA forum, I'd guess it takes some time to get up and running with that stuff. I would not expect most Newbies to immerse themselves into modding soon after sim purchase, except perhaps Old Timers from other sims who bought the sim as a moddable replacement for EAW for example, but they are not too many I assume. For most, the sim offers a steep enough learning curve out-of-box without messing around with unauthorized mod installs. However, I have learned to never underestimate the Passion of the computer gamer.
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Old 06-17-2008, 07:51 PM
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Kindergarten...sachmal merkt ihr es noch? Also echt ...schade um die Zeit die man verschwendet um das hier zu lesen!
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Old 06-18-2008, 06:15 AM
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Kindergarten...sachmal merkt ihr es noch? Also echt ...schade um die Zeit die man verschwendet um das hier zu lesen!
Und noch mehr Zeitverschwendung sich dann auch noch daran zu beteiligen. Willkommen in unserer Krabbelgruppe.
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