A worrying thought!!!

[MadTommy]

Originally Posted by zapatista

what a load of baloney

RoF was probably the worst piece of junk ever released as a flightsim when it first came out (and i remember that well), glaringly unfinished with lots of bugs, no real content, and a lifeless drab and empty world to fly in, its canned flight models so poorly modeled it often resulting in some hilarious aircraft behavior to illustrate its glaring limitations (dogfighting with wingless flying aircraft anyone ?)

and even now that a few years later they have patched the main parts, added content (which you pay for), added aircraft (each one you paid for lol) they have hit the predictable brick wall that was always waiting for them around the corner, their canned artificial flight models cant improve and a game engine that would have to be completely rewritten from the ground up to make it anywhere more realistic. even right now in its current form RoF flight physics are not anywhere like the old il2 when it was first released.

in RoF there is no modeling of actual flight physics or any modeled interaction of object surfaces and air (ooo yes, plz show me that video again of air bubbles flowing over an aircraft, i am soooo impressed by your art work i completely ignore that is not how it realistically works in the sim to model aircraft flight behavior), damage models are cartoon'esque (try flying an aircraft straight into the ground from 2000 meters at max speed, and watch it partially crumble as if you just hit the ground at 20 km/hr and then the plane goes bouncy bouncy bouncy on the ground lol ( with a few scripted and predictable bit falling off the aircraft structure to impress gen Y who doesnt have a clue about what it really should look like in real life in a comparable incident )

using RoF as some kind of good example is laughable, and following its example would be the worst thing that could ever happen to the future of CoD, thankfully it will never happen.

funny thing is RoF was a much more incomplete sim (compared to CoD) when i was first released, and it took them years to get it anywhere near finished (while they fleased your pocket at every step) and yet the same people that come and complain here about CoD and then naively hold up RoF as a "good example" completely seem to ignore that

for the uninformed, ...... CoD was forced to be released 1 yr to early (all details available on this forum so you can educate yourselves), and it was either that or NOTHING. there is no 3e alternative where you can stomp your little feet on the ground and say "but i want it and i want it now". if you look at what CoD is 1 yr later (ie right now in june 2012) it is in an acceptable form for what would have been an initial release (and even then 6 months of the last year were wasted intrying to fix the old game engine, and 1/2 the time of the 2e half of that year their team already working on BoM at the same time so they have some hope of further income). when you look at CoD's current content, eg flight models, basic playability, game engine, complex engine management and advanced damage models, detailed aircraft models, and the additional large chunks of further content already prepared but not yet included (such as realistically changing weather with moving weather fronts, and control of vehicles etc,), it is a next gen game with incredible potential for further expansion and improved realism. CoD will be regularly patched to fix the main problems and add content, and it is building on a complex and advanced game engine that will only get more realistic and advanced (with further improved flightmodels) because that is what is was designed for in the first place.

none of that is possible in RoF, simply because none of that exists in sufficient complexity or realism under the hood, its essentially a glorified arcade game with canned flight models that has hit the wall of what can be further improved, and they made you pay for it every step along the way (the basic game is even given away for free now in an attempt to lure a last few more customers and then try and squeeze some further pennies out of them by making them buy game elements you as a player will need to be competitive online).

for CoD the only issue is whether the small team and limited finances at MG/1C can fix the current issues fast enough on such a large and complex undertaking, and if the imminent release of the sequel (late 2012 ?) will allow them to recover their reputation and high standing in the flightsim community before our (the customers) short attention span gets us to shift our allegiance to the next contender (like the p51 project from DCS)

What a load of ******.

I have owed RoF from release date, yes it had some bugs, but not nearly as bad as you make out. You are entitled to your opinion about RoF or DCS but don't get confused between your opinion and the facts.. as they are not the same.

MG could learn a hell of a lot from both 777 and Eagle Dynamics in every department of game development and management.

Originally Posted by MadTommy

What a load of *****.

I have owed RoF from release date, yes it had some bugs, but not nearly as bad as you make out. You are entitled to your opinion about RoF or DCS but don't get confused between your opinion and the facts.. as they are not the same.

MG could learn a hell of a lot from both 777 and Eagle Dynamics in every department of game development and management.

+1

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

What a load of bollocks.

I have owed RoF from release date, yes it had some bugs, but not nearly as bad as you make out. You are entitled to your opinion about RoF or DCS but don't get confused between your opinion and the facts.. as they are not the same.

MG could learn a hell of a lot from both 777 and Eagle Dynamics in every department of game development and management.

Well thats an opinion too.

My opinion for what its worth is that I too have had it since day one, and for the first year and a half thought it was buggy as hell, so much so that i hardly played it.

It has however matured into a great game which i really like now.

[JG52Uther]

Eddited a couple of posts, please keep the language civil.

[Bewolf]

Got RoF back in the days when it was just released and could not play it due to perfomance Issues. Tried it 2 years later and ended up doing quite a few quick missions, but never got into the campaign.

Multiplayer was rather boring, did not help that my poor stock aircraft got outperformed by those pay to play aircraft everybody got into, so I lost interest here really fast.

Tried again another year later and got to know that in the meanwhile an "iron cross" edition was released, with lots of aircraft goodies. Graphics and the engine itself by now were really good and fluid, but I felt ripped off and never touched the game again. The news about all that micro transaction stuff did not much to improve here, either.

I'd rather they released some big scenario packs (like the channel map) with according maps and aircraft included for a retail price instread of all the stuff you have to get in singles. 15€ for a bomber is quite a bit of money which I would pay if the rest of the Sim was up for it...however, it isn't

Yes, the aircraft going vertical to the ground with just a bit of "puff" when making contact is indeed quite bothersome.

This from someone who played Red Baron and Red Baron 3D to death and once really looked forward to RoF.

[JG52Uther]

Of course there is one rather large difference between RoF and CoD. The £30 or so I spent on CoD has been pretty good value for me. One day I am hoping 777 fix the FM's of the Albatros,DVII, CL2,Bristol etc etc, still waiting for some of them three years later...

[5./JG27.Farber]

Does RoF even have anything happening on the ground yet? Last time I played it was just black lines for trenches with constant artilley barrages to mark the front. No tanks or infantry or anything going on at all just a few trains and AA pieces.

The thing with RoF is that theres no real performance data for the aircraft only pilot accounts, this is all good and well but really this is hearsay or folklore. Its a good indication but not a science. Plus the fact its pay for plane so as I see it they are making the game balanced in a way that means they can sell more planes.

Plus my original point that I paid out 30 quid only for them to just give it away 15(?) months later for free with out any kind of reward for the people that bought their broken project (just like many of you feel toward clod). Imagine if in a few months clod was free and you only had to buy expansions which really were just a plane bundle, maps and ground units and models? How would you feel? In fact the MG method is cheaper and better come to think of it.

RoF you buy 1 plane at a time but compare that to the cost of an expansion for clod, even if its 30 quid again, new maps, new flyables, new AI aircraft, new ground objects... Its quite a bargain if you compare it to RoF.

RoF is just not for me, 777 left a bad taste in my mouth when (as I see it they ripped me off). I am just not as interested in WW1 as I am WW2. WW1 just doesnt have the dynamics of WW2. Quite frankly I just dont trust 777 to be historically and realistically accurate.

Anyway its useless even talking about it. You cant just suggest two different companies merge and make what you expect. Stop living in a dream world.


As someone said before, even with all its faults, Cliffs of Dover is the only WW2 CFS around that offers as much as it does.

So bob or tree or who ever you are, thats it for this thread as far as Im concerned and if you just really dont like whats going on with clod then why are you even here? - I dont need an answer to this its a rhetorical question.

Peace and S!

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Whoever thinks CoD needs to be saved by 777 or anybody else needs to wake up.

RoF was done, toast, capute but Jason Williams (777) was able to purchase the rights and turn it around through some clever marketing and hands on approach (nice job Jason).

Why was RoF almost done? A horribly buggy release that had forums filled with trolls trying everything they could to bring the sim down and they almost succeeded....No wait, they did succeed, essentially bankrupt and under attack from the very community it tried to serve(sound familiar), the original team sold Rise of Flight to 777.

Some even speculated that the attacks were coordinated and designed to fell the burgeoning sim and I am starting to wonder the same about some here in this very forum under the guise of daily constructive criticism as if they are helping us by saying the same thing over and over.

777s takeover was not an instant fix either as the sim still produced launcher crashes for all every 20 minutes or so for the first year and a half

Yet in between the bugs and crashes 777 rereleased RoF in what was called the Iron Cross Edition and in retrospect is now considered a good move.

I tire of people comparing CoD to sims released 3-10 years ago using these mature software comparisons to scare new pilots away from an already small CoD community with blanket statements that more often than not, tell more about their system configuration or limitations than about the experience as a ww2 cfs pilot in CoD.

The funny thing is some of the CoD bashers have very little (if any) flight time and many I have never seen flying the sim.

[theOden]

Originally Posted by ATAG_MajorBorris

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The funny thing is some of the CoD bashers have very little (if any) flight time and many I have never seen flying the sim.

You're telling me you don't see the logic behind this?

[JG52Krupi]

Originally Posted by theOden

You're telling me you don't see the logic behind this?

I think you missed the point, ppl would rather moan than help find the bugs!

Personally speaking has COD pissed me off HELL YES do I want it fixed before they do another game DAMN RIGHT, do I constantly moan and whine about the game NO. Why you ask, well its because I am not a baby who feel like I need to throw my toys out of the pram to get attention... I try to see the big picture I try (stress on the try ) to be mature, something which a lot of poster here seem to dispense with.

Now sometimes I feel like writing obvious facts about this game, this ludicrous childish forum and how the world works but when I see the like of Blackdog (who btw I have ton's of admiration for due to his eloquent, unbiased and precise point making) points out simple facts just to get them thrown in his face or ignored I wonder what the point is, some of you are so clearly bored of life that you will moan about anything and if COD does fail then I blame not only 1C, MG and Ubisoft but also the "community" (using the word loosely of course as this place is more like a cockfighting pit) so what is left, tell me who will make a ww2 flight sim of this level if MG goes under?

And don't tell me 777/ROF as I loved that game (just ask my fellow squad members) but over the past 1-2 years THEY have put me in a position that means out of principle I can no longer support there franchise, do I go and moan about it on there board well NO because I know it won't make a difference and it is a pity because that game had/has loads of potential just like this one could have if ppl would stop bashing and give it some time to mature.

I don't know why I even bother to post this as I know some fool is going to come along and break it down until the point is missed completely, but before you do that I should inform you I am not a il2 fanboy I am a ww2 flight simulator fan and it just so happens that currently MG is the only developer that is ticking the boxes that I want ticked and the way the gaming industry is currently going no one else is going to bother doing that, they would rather make the more mainstream games that you buy every year and what is your £50 a year getting you a few new models and new textures and the same old bugs well BRAVO LADIES AND GENTLEMEN CARRY ON AND WATCH FIGHT SIMS WITH ANY DEPTH GO THE WAY OF THE DODO!

MG are clearly trying to do right by this sim now either take a break from it or load up the beta patch and report bugs!!