Ok MG.. you want me to buy BoM after all CoD was during this year..

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Well thanks Feathered.

I have to say that the RoF fraternity seem a much better disposed bunch than those we see on here.

Having a break from Cliffs and flying RoF has given me a slightly different perspective on lots of things....

It wasn't a much better disposed bunch when ROF was released. ROF was also released unfinished, but not as unfinished as COD. Hopefully the investors will keep the faith and allow COD to be finished and have therefore a much beter disposed bunch.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Hopefully the investors will keep the faith.

Well.....that's us.... mostly..... Isn't it? Or is it? Could it be the parent company? Big Brother and the Holding Company? Or are they the governmental institutions funding historical awareness throughout the Russian Federation?

The banks?

Or could it be just the paying customer plus all of the above?

Economics and business were never my strongpoint.....

[MadTommy]

I really hope the expansion is a long way off... the last thing this game (clod) needs is less people playing it. The online community is horribly small as it is. A sequel soon will likely completely kill it.

I very much doubt i'll be playing any sequel until i've had some solid online play time with Clod, If there is no community to play with in Clod i certainly wont just gobble up their sequel.

I already have too many simulated aircraft on my PC to remember correctly.. with RoF, DCS & CloD.. and i know which one is the problem child. Last thing i need is another problem child..

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

I really hope the expansion is a long way off... the last thing this game (clod) needs is less people playing it. The online community is horribly small as it is. A sequel soon will likely completely kill it.

I very much doubt i'll be playing any sequel until i've had some solid online play time with Clod, If there is no community to play with in Clod i certainly wont just gobble up their sequel.

I already have too many simulated aircraft on my PC to remember correctly.. with RoF, DCS & CloD.. and i know which one is the problem child. Last thing i need is another problem child..

Fully agree. IMO this discussion is pointless.

[JG5_emil]

Originally Posted by MadTommy

I really hope the expansion is a long way off... the last thing this game (clod) needs is less people playing it. The online community is horribly small as it is. A sequel soon will likely completely kill it.

I very much doubt i'll be playing any sequel until i've had some solid online play time with Clod, If there is no community to play with in Clod i certainly wont just gobble up their sequel.

I already have too many simulated aircraft on my PC to remember correctly.. with RoF, DCS & CloD.. and i know which one is the problem child. Last thing i need is another problem child..

The reason the community is small is because a lot of people haven't migrated from IL2 (many of those that did went to play ROF). The question is why?

Personally I think a large part of it is because CLOD provides a much more limited scope for what you can do with it. For me the lack of COOP is the main reason I didn't play more. Then there are the bugs/problems and finally there is the fact that there will be many people who don't have the specs to run CLOD well.

When I first started playing IL2 many people still hadn't migrated from EAW. When ARMA 3 comes out there will be people still playing ARMA II for ages afterwards.

The community isn't smaller (in fact it is probably bigger than in 2002) it is just split over at least 3 games ROF, IL2 and CLOD to a lesser extent.

I'll definately buy BOM (unless it is released as a MMO!) but I'm not sure I have the same enthusiasm for the game as I did. Mainly because for many many years I wanted to play a BOB sim and when I got it I found it surely lacking. Maybe one day we will be able to have a good coop and 70-80 bomber formations etc and play without micro stutter

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by JG5_emil

The reason the community is small is because a lot of people haven't migrated from IL2 (many of those that did went to play ROF). The question is why?

Personally I think a large part of it is because CLOD provides a much more limited scope for what you can do with it. For me the lack of COOP is the main reason I didn't play more. Then there are the bugs/problems and finally there is the fact that there will be many people who don't have the specs to run CLOD well.

When I first started playing IL2 many people still hadn't migrated from EAW. When ARMA 3 comes out there will be people still playing ARMA II for ages afterwards.

The community isn't smaller (in fact it is probably bigger than in 2002) it is just split over at least 3 games ROF, IL2 and CLOD to a lesser extent.

I'll definately buy BOM (unless it is released as a MMO!) but I'm not sure I have the same enthusiasm for the game as I did. Mainly because for many many years I wanted to play a BOB sim and when I got it I found it surely lacking. Maybe one day we will be able to have a good coop and 70-80 bomber formations etc and play without micro stutter

One good thing I did because of COD's teething problems was to try out the free demo of ROF. Nearly a year later and I'm totally hooked. Have just updated to the new version 1.026 and bought some weapon mod add-ons.

By way of a contrast to this forum, check out the update thread for ROF, where everyone is ecstatically happy and full of praise for an update that has exceeded expectations.
http://riseofflight.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=30934

Not posting to gloat or anything like that. I was just thinking that I really (really!) hope that we all get to experience reactions like that here for a COD update sometime soon.

[Friendly_flyer]

I never got around to buy CoD. I wanted to wait for the release to see what upgrade for my trusty, though dated machine was needed, and then wanted to wait until all the larger bugs had been ironed out, and I'm still hanging around here waiting to see what machine will be optimum in the end. It seems to me the game is in the process of being rewritten from the ground up, buying a rig for a game that isn't really done yet seems a bad idea to me. I suppose I should buy CoD to support the dev team, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I would really like to have my new machine first...

I think the East Front is where the dev teams heart lies, and I can't blame them. Also, as a theatre of war it is much more suited to a combat sim than the Western front and particularly the Pacific Front. When BoM finally comes out, I think it will be fairly polished, just like IL2FB was. By then, CoD will be playable too. So yeah, I'll buy BoM, even if it's only to give the old Hurribuss a spin.

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Friendly_flyer

I never got around to buy CoD. I wanted to wait for the release to see what upgrade for my trusty, though dated machine was needed, and then wanted to wait until all the larger bugs had been ironed out, and I'm still hanging around here waiting to see what machine will be optimum in the end. It seems to me the game is in the process of being rewritten from the ground up, buying a rig for a game that isn't really done yet seems a bad idea to me. I suppose I should buy CoD to support the dev team, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. I would really like to have my new machine first...

Fair enough. Just don`t come here flaming the devs when it turns out your new $2000 pc isn`t up to the task.

I think the East Front is where the dev teams heart lies, and I can't blame them. Also, as a theatre of war it is much more suited to a combat sim than the Western front and particularly the Pacific Front. When BoM finally comes out, I think it will be fairly polished, just like IL2FB was. By then, CoD will be playable too. So yeah, I'll buy BoM, even if it's only to give the old Hurribuss a spin.

The PTO, even if from a time perspective was done pretty well, it proved to be a bad concept for a video game. The planes are nice, landing on ships is cool, but searching for them while being lost over full sea was just too frequent ending of a mission. The dive bomber raids and carpet bombing raids did not present even remotely the experience of the same quality as B17/DB3 hunting.

And as a matter of fact, the Forgotten Battles v1.0 screwed the online code completely. It was a reign of laggy games. One of the last FB patches, that was prior to the AEP fixed it finally. FB added lots of nice content but introduced its own set of not-too-small bugs aswell.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Well.....that's us.... mostly..... Isn't it? Or is it? Could it be the parent company? Big Brother and the Holding Company? Or are they the governmental institutions funding historical awareness throughout the Russian Federation?

The banks?

Or could it be just the paying customer plus all of the above?

Economics and business were never my strongpoint.....

No we aren't the main investors, probably IC publishing is the main share holder. I doubt that the sales of COD came anywhere close to its costs so far. It will probably take more than a couple of sequels before they get to the positive side of the ledger. If the game engine does get fixed, and they can start producing more Sequels, MMO's, Movie making, etc it has the potential to make much more money than the old series.