Patch update 22/06 - general discussion (ask questions in official update thread)

[hiro]

At this point I've learned not to read so much in between the lines of what the devs say, nor really try to correct other people.

Some people will take anything to fulfill their desires / expectations / perceptions . . . and reading between the lines does that.

Not to have expectations in specific dates, but to have hope and the updates, while they do not have real meat, are an effort, that the devs are on the hunt and taking care of business.



People will complain, and one can see there is alot more quicker on this update. Before it'd take 2+ pages before the really negative comments roll out, this recent update it was first page.

But let them.


Marketing? how about the game not selling well . . . or the industry standard reviews knocking down this game.

One thing though, is its hard to recover from a bad reputation on the market . . . even though future products / services may be good.

Unless that company , organization falls under the category:

A) powerhouse (AMD)

B) entrenched with a unusual high market share (microsoft, vista and other fubars)

C) has a previous good reputation / track record (toyota)

D) has a fan following (apple)

E) household name / well known branding (pepsi)



amd had few years run of bad chips, ATI card shennanigans

toyota , hiding stuck gas pedal issue even when ppl killed in accidents until it got too much to hide

apple flaw was PC market, being more expensive and not delivering anything above intel based PC's . . . planned obsolescence, and breaking 3 series to force customers to upgrade to 4 series . . . ever try to update apps on a perfectly working 3 iphone a year ago . . .

pepsi was using aborted fetus parts for testing purposes and in formulas . . . Summer Time is Pepsi Time and Live For Now . . . indeed . . . they said they stopped using baby parts . . .


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As for details . . . like a/c speeds, or CEM bits and pieces . . . I think to devs must fix the game engine to work with everything first then they'll tackle the details . . .


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programming can be complicated, hence the time its taking, and the more complex things are, the harder it is.

look at this scenario: the Call of Duty series has lots of crew, they have hundreds millions of dollars in profit . . . 24 hours of release, they sold 4.7 millions copies for MW 2 . . . they have power houses in the game programming world, graphic artists, storyboarders, writers . . .

they can get the job done in quick amount of time, a year or two . . .

Their game is complicated with features, but on the complex order say for animals, MW 2 would be a fish, frog, or salamander.

Then you have Cliffs, the complexity (projected future) for its game engine alone is on the order of a ape or chimpanzee. Then you have each aircraft / and then weapons etc . ..


But there is no 300 spartan + 7000 best greek hoplites programmers in the house. there is no US navy of graphics, or US airforce of writers or uS army of q/a teams and nearly unlimited supplies / budget that the Fish / Frog / Salamander complicated game has .

Without the excessive quality and numbers that MW 2 commands, getting a working game in 1-2 years isn't a reality for the Ape / Chimpanzee game team.

That is why this game is taking a long time. Its complicated, much more than the top 40 games; they don't have the numbers and money that "other popular games" have. They do have a talented team, however its small scraps (in terms of numbers) compared to what MW 2's team roster can muster on a bad day when everyone's calling in sick, dead, or the dog ate the tablet scenario.

So its taking time.



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[Icebear]

Originally Posted by hiro

So its taking time.

You're talking about another 6 or 7 years ?

This project is being worked on a demand basis. the devs want you shouting and raving about getting the patch, thats the demand aspect.

the demand aspect fuels the supply aspect. as long as you lot are ranting and raving about it all, the devs are smiling because they know you want what they are making. and i guess they will attempt to supply that.

Nothing is going to speed it up. Its finished when its finished anything else is below par. have we not already experienced this ?

personally i dont want anything from it. there really is better fish to fly lol. i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

here is a fact im quite happy with. i want working top of the line flight-sim, without any lies, and with a clear end goal and constructive approach to getting to that goal. its as simple as that. working as intended.

i wont be happy or content...
1 if CLOD requires any other payware.
2 if CLOD succesfully patched, ill give them a second chance. but CLOD better blow me away, the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.
3. if clod isnt patched to my expectation, you dont get another sale 1C, its as simple as that.
4. if CLOD gets superceeded by your next product entirely, you dont get that sale either.
5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned. you dont get a sale.

i wont stop commenting untill the outcome of this is confirmed and put to bed. but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

wether we speak now or later, there is only 1 loser and thats you 1C. Ive got other enjoyable simulators to play around in. you dont. its your business. its your carreer, "normally" people have some pride in that. pick your path and please this community.

[NervousEnergy]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

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... the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.

You've spent 30 GBP for 101 hours of entertainment and you still want to be 'blown away'? Wow... tough crowd. I got 15 hours of entertainment from Max Payne 3 for $60, and consider it money well spent. I've not got a lot more in CloD... perhaps 20 hours, and I'd also consider that money well spent, though it's not nearly the hour/dollar value I've gotten out of IL2 with perhaps 2500 virtual hours over 7 years of online play.

I want to see well-populated servers running a variety of missions and gameplay parameters, and I think I've got another 2-4 months to wait. I'd bet most of the performance issues will get ironed out within the next 2-3 weeks, but online really needs a dedicated client, and I'm not sure where we are with that. But I've still gotten plenty of entertainment out of CloD even in it's current state.

[theOden]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

..5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned...

Been there, Done that, but I were you I wouldn't hold my breath on this.

[FS~Phat]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

This project is being worked on a demand basis. the devs want you shouting and raving about getting the patch, thats the demand aspect.

the demand aspect fuels the supply aspect. as long as you lot are ranting and raving about it all, the devs are smiling because they know you want what they are making. and i guess they will attempt to supply that.

Nothing is going to speed it up. Its finished when its finished anything else is below par. have we not already experienced this ?

personally i dont want anything from it. there really is better fish to fly lol. i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

here is a fact im quite happy with. i want working top of the line flight-sim, without any lies, and with a clear end goal and constructive approach to getting to that goal. its as simple as that. working as intended.

i wont be happy or content...
1 if CLOD requires any other payware.
2 if CLOD succesfully patched, ill give them a second chance. but CLOD better blow me away, the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.
3. if clod isnt patched to my expectation, you dont get another sale 1C, its as simple as that.
4. if CLOD gets superceeded by your next product entirely, you dont get that sale either.
5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned. you dont get a sale.

i wont stop commenting untill the outcome of this is confirmed and put to bed. but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

wether we speak now or later, there is only 1 loser and thats you 1C. Ive got other enjoyable simulators to play around in. you dont. its your business. its your carreer, "normally" people have some pride in that. pick your path and please this community.

Ok thats enough dont you think? I have just read all your latest posts over the last 6 months and its clear you dont like the game or have a very high opinion of 1C so I suggest you go find something else to do. You have continually attacked the devs and anyone that says anything contrary to your view. Enough! Last warning, your not being constructive your just being abusive and it wont be tolerated.

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

This project is being worked on a demand basis. the devs want you shouting and raving about getting the patch, thats the demand aspect.

the demand aspect fuels the supply aspect. as long as you lot are ranting and raving about it all, the devs are smiling because they know you want what they are making. and i guess they will attempt to supply that.

Nothing is going to speed it up. Its finished when its finished anything else is below par. have we not already experienced this ?

personally i dont want anything from it. there really is better fish to fly lol. i consider my 30 GBP the first sacrifice ive had where demand is concerned. i wont make this mistake again.

here is a fact im quite happy with. i want working top of the line flight-sim, without any lies, and with a clear end goal and constructive approach to getting to that goal. its as simple as that. working as intended.

i wont be happy or content...
1 if CLOD requires any other payware.
2 if CLOD succesfully patched, ill give them a second chance. but CLOD better blow me away, the 101 hours ive spent in it must still be blown away by the expereinces with that.
3. if clod isnt patched to my expectation, you dont get another sale 1C, its as simple as that.
4. if CLOD gets superceeded by your next product entirely, you dont get that sale either.
5. if you continue to pay me disrespect through moderators own person opinion and personal interpretation of the rules that takes me to the extent of getting banned. you dont get a sale.

i wont stop commenting untill the outcome of this is confirmed and put to bed. but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

wether we speak now or later, there is only 1 loser and thats you 1C. Ive got other enjoyable simulators to play around in. you dont. its your business. its your carreer, "normally" people have some pride in that. pick your path and please this community.

Good grief! How on earth do you survive in today's world with such a sense of entitlement? I'm saddened that the sim seems to have stalled but I have had many hours entertainment with it.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Ali Fish

but believe me and i think i speak for most people here 1C, you better get your cards in order with what you deem acceptable next time we have financial dealings with you. and interuption to the patch via this new title you and you only that deem acceptable. IS NOT ACCEPTABLE ! i wont be manipulated and i dont think anyone else will be now.

You do not speak for me. Not now, not ever. Some of us are far more patient than others, and I'd daresay that the silent majority of the boards far outweigh the screamers. Yes, we all want the game to be fixed to a high standard, but some of us are willing to wait for that to happen. And if it doesn't, well, them's the breaks, really. At that point I've spent some money on a product that turned out to be less than stellar, and that's OK. I got enjoyment out of it even if it wasn't perfect.

And in the end, that's all it comes down to: Each of our own sense of enjoyment.

[slick118]

What's the point in showcasing models for an upcoming sequel when the mechanics that this sequel will presumably use remain far, far from perfect? I am sorry, I don't post here much and read around a bit more than that, but I am beyond confused with 1C company logic. I find the whole "update" process quite insulting to be honest.

[Skoshi Tiger]

Originally Posted by slick118

What's the point in showcasing models for an upcoming sequel when the mechanics that this sequel will presumably use remain far, far from perfect? I am sorry, I don't post here much and read around a bit more than that, but I am beyond confused with 1C company logic. I find the whole "update" process quite insulting to be honest.

Even though you (and the rest of the human race) are the current iteration of the 3 Billion years of selective breeding that has been forced on to you a harsh and malevolent God, it is quite obvious that you are still far from perfect, And you expect a computer game costing $17.00 to be perfect? Go figure!