SoWC:BoB Multisquad Campaign Starting

[5./JG27.Farber]

Originally Posted by Jatta Raso

i think the problem is about Reds not wanting to participate on a turkey shoot (i sure don't )

There has been talk of replacing the SpitIa with the SpitII however Ive asked for the max speed and climb graphs of the - SpitIa & Spit IIa in game and the SpitIa in real life, however no one yet has cme up with the goods!? So I cannot simply act on a whim.

Can anyone provide this?

[bw_wolverine]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

There has been talk of replacing the SpitIa with the SpitII however Ive asked for the max speed and climb graphs of the - SpitIa & Spit IIa in game and the SpitIa in real life, however no one yet has cme up with the goods!? So I cannot simply act on a whim.

Can anyone provide this?

Aren't these all over the forums? I think IvanK recently threw up a few good graphs.

FM/DM subforum should have all this stuff.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Hey guys, its about historical accuracy which is not just in a name Klem you are quite correct. The thing is that we in 5./JG27 dont fly spits, you can talk about different boosts and fuel and all that but all we know is Daimler Benz and kmh etc... So its hard for us to understand however a graph on speed and climb anyone can understand... Which is why I asked. Ive been looking for them myself this morning and found the same lack of material from 1c.

From what I have heard from red players on this forum, seen some graphs and experienced online, I'd agree with what you saying. We will replace the SpitIa with the II. - However if some patch comes out during the campaign we may have to readdress it for historical purposes just like we have here.

[Osprey]

The climb tests are an edit made by IvanK I think. The speed is from B6.

What are you trying to confirm exactly Farber? I'm assuming here that you don't want a turkey shoot because it's not fun for anybody and you are trying to establish that the Spitfire II isn't over-modeled? It isn't, it under-performs compared to the 109.

[5./JG27.Farber]

Everyone posted whilst I was looking for info Osprey... Read my above post again. What I was trying to establish was is the Spit II in clod more like the Spit Ia of RL...

[klem]

Some of you guys without a Squad have said you'd like to take part. Please go here:

http://sowc.forumotion.co.uk/t6-publ...ers-read-me#60

and put your names down. We can sort you out. We can't do it from here.

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Everyone posted whilst I was looking for info Osprey... Read my above post again. What I was trying to establish was is the Spit II in clod more like the Spit Ia of RL...

Unfortunately not, but neither is the 109

They are however the best match we have. I'd even argue that the Spitfire Ia is a better match for the Hurricane IRL than the Hurricane Rotol is. ('#' line vs cyan line vs '*' line)

[IvanK]

Here is a real world comparison Spit I v Spit II both ROTOL Constant speed equipped. Hashed line the MKI Merlin III , continuous line the MKII Merlin XII. The MKXII Merlin supercharger ratio was a little different to the MKI. The MKII was also a little heavier than the MKI. The MKI values are running +6.25Lbs Boost and the MKII running +9Lbs Boost. As can be seen in both Speed and climb there is not an awful lot in it.

Sadly these values are not currently reflected in reflected in game.

Time to Height:


Speeds:

[5./JG27.Farber]

Thanks IvanK.

Originally Posted by 5./JG27.Farber

Hey guys, its about historical accuracy which is not just in a name Klem you are quite correct. The thing is that we in 5./JG27 dont fly spits, you can talk about different boosts and fuel and all that but all we know is Daimler Benz and kmh etc... So its hard for us to understand however a graph on speed and climb anyone can understand... Which is why I asked. Ive been looking for them myself this morning and found the same lack of material from 1c.

From what I have heard from red players on this forum, seen some graphs and experienced online, I'd agree with what you saying. We will replace the SpitIa with the II. - However if some patch comes out during the campaign we may have to readdress it for historical purposes just like we have here.

^^

[Sven]

As I suggested earlier, it will be best to forget about the SpitIa, and replace it with the SpitII completely.
SpitII has got the high altitude advantages and turns very quickly, the 109 climbs better and is faster up until 6k,
but has become more prone to spins and stalling, leading edge slats still not popping out at correct speed.

Reds will have their hands full on destroying bombers, presumably with their slower Hurricanes.
So they will need all the help they can get. I am for keeping the Hurricane/Spit ratio, to at least play a Battle of Britain scenario.