Friday, May 25, 2012. Report 3

[Rjel]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Without viable competition, the fevered pitch from both sides of the isle is just beating the same dead horse.

That's no joke. Week after week, with every update, the same posts by the same posters. Usually using the exact same arguments. Some here are so ardent in their support they should be on the payroll of 1C. On the other side, those of a negative opinion carry on with equal passion. You can almost imagine them throwing things and stomping their feet in anger.

Ace of Aces mentioned those who are in the middle. I like to think I fit in there someplace. As a moderate, again can we ask, that these update threads be locked? Very few of you are as persuasive as you think you are in presenting your arguments.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

Your problem is that you blindly support this mess

Not true at all.. I just have a more realistic understanding (read non child like view) and therefore a more realistic expectation than you.

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect perfection out of the box..

Yet you would be hard pressed to find any game software that has no bugs

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

(i got a ban for saying that)and that hurts more than nothing the development of a sim

Rest assured you did NOT get banned for saying 'that'..

But I am surprised that you have not been banned for calling the devs liars

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

i did several mods for il-2 hardcore java file editing, i know how is to work with code,

So have I..

I have updated several versions of SJack's zINFOMOD to work with HSFX..

And from those data files I wrote the C# code to make a web-based version of IL-2Compare that you can see here

www.flightsimtesting.com

And not only that..

I actully get paid for writing software at work..

So I know a thing or two about software development, and bugs, and how things can come up that cause delays

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

and when we release something and had bugs we didn't say the same thing for six + months, we accepted and go honestly to the users, and even make it work with tousands of franken installs.

And there is where you show your software ignorance.. In that it is much easier to 'tweak' and existing Java file than it is to write a game from scratch..

And when I say from scratch I mean taking a chance and looking to the future and writing a game from scratch that makes use of the cutting edge gaming aspects.. Like taking on the DX11 API instead of playing it safe and writing a DX9 game.

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

RoF took 6+ months to be working correctly as i bought since day one,

I bought it day one also, and it took them longer than that to fix everything.. And even longer to put in some of the features they have now.. A perfect example being the ability to see planes at a distance, something that made the game unplayable for me (my standards) the way planes use to suddenly appear and disappear at a certain distance.

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

it was a mess when it was owned by neoqb with the russian way of comunication same as 1C. since 777 studios came into play things change for good and RoF improved communications and development, seems in russia have another sense of costumer support.

Well maybe RoF communications with their customers is better because they don't have guys like you posting in their forums and calling them liars each time they post and update..

Just a thought!

Originally Posted by GOA_Potenz

but in the end people like you are the most that hurt this game always compliments and no complains a development team doesn't need roses all the time and more if paid for something that claim to be a finished product, when even the devs said at the first videos where we could see something wrong that it was due to lack of ram in the PC's running the game.

Again.. Your showing your ignorance..

I have had plenty of negative things to say about CoD..

What separates me from you is I don't have a hissy fit when something gets delayed such that I feel the need to call them liars..

I guess that is just something you eventually learn living and working in the real adult world..

You mileage may and clearly does vary

[priller26]

Originally Posted by Wolf_Rider

Actually, it does work "out of the box". it does run.

Yeah..a Ford Pinto ran right "out of the box" too, but then it would catch fire and blow up if you hit it too hard, so whats your point?

As to Russian gamers, I know many, one very close friend who just got his degree in engineering, and his starting salary was 450 a month, hes 25 and lives with his parents, like most young Russians. After he pays for gas to and from work, helps out with food, this and that, he's lucky if he has two roubles at the end of the month to rub together, so if this is the gamer the devs are trying to accomodate, I can understand why. Not many people there buying 600 dollar gpus. These games sell for very little in Russia, and like everything else, are pirated up the wazoo, if you want a TRUE retail copy of win 7 64 it will be behind glass in a store and twice or more the price here, EVERYONE except fortune 500 western companies run pirated microsoft software, and rarely run anti virus so everything gets buggered up, so don't expect them to be running western gaming rigs anytime soon. Its just not feasible for them.

Ohh, and lest I forget, since you need a good inernet connection to play the game, and most people live in soviet built monster housing units and krushev apt blocks, forget about individuals having access to good high speed internet. All in all, I can't see the reason to focus on the "eastern europe" market, the real money is in the West. I understand they are trying to support the Russian market, but the Russian market can't be compared to the West. Either way, it leaves those in the West waiting.

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Thank you for this info, I didn't remembered about Steam's statistics.
14.90% is anyway too much, we must support this people.

15% today and in the next 12 months that number will be much smaller and even smaller over the next 24 months.

This sim has much longer legs - a longer life tragectory like the old sim it's been around a very long time.

Remember just 10 years ago mobile phones were not affordable for the vast majority of people but now they are every where. Tablets now outsell laptops and desktops. You handly find anyone without a smart phone or tablet.

In other words the money spent on developing an advanced sim to satisfy 15% is not money well spent.

But its not my business. Just a customer.

[priller26]

Originally Posted by MegOhm

I will send you $50 to just go away and then you can pee it away on cigs and beer!

Really...

I don't smoke "cigs" nor quaff a lot of beer, but the beer I do drink you probably couldn't find nor afford, I guess you assume those that have issues with the game live in a cardbox box, wear wife beater tee shirts, and are on the dole? Btw, you can keep your 50, don't need it . Also, the correct term is "piss" it away, not "pee" it away, check your thesaurus.

Think you have been spending a bit too much time sunning in the "socal" wine country, your elitist attitude is in full bloom.

i still have xp, maybe xmas will change that

Originally Posted by BlackSix

Yes, I think approximately 10-15% PC gamers has Win XP at present.
But in Russia, for example, majority OS is cracked pirate version. Win XP has bad security and it stay very popular for PC gamers unfortunately.

[Insuber]

Parked in my 110 I've just watched a dogfight above my head among a Spit and a couple of 109s. With closed canopy - very few noises, but with open canopy every sound was rendered very well: far engines roaring, flak bursts, distant machine guns ... awsome!


Bravo to the 1C team, keep going like that!

[Force10]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

As I pointed out, you and your 'types' expect FUNCTIONING out of the box..

There...I fixed that for ya

[addman]

Originally Posted by Force10

There...I fixed that for ya

HEY! I was gonna do that!

[Insuber]

Later we attacked Wellingtons, three Bf-110 against 5 heavies; it was like watching a movie, with the smoke trails of cannon shells twirling around, and smoke and flames bursting from wounded bombers. Again, wonderful show. The game ran fluid without an issue.

This sim is already a jewel, and in future it can be a milestone of the genre. Stop bashing it, please.