Bf 110 cockpit, Wahlschalter and bomb load.

[Kodoss]

Did anyone of you noticed that the 110 has the wrong cockpit?!

I just noticed it as I looked at the cabin heater w/o function.
I read in my book that the heater came with the E-1 series and a crosscheck in the handbook confirmed it.

Also the bombloads are to small. The 110 can also carry 2 SD1000.
The "Wahlschalter" to switch between 2MG and 4MG firing mode doesn't work either.

EDIT: Added Revi C12/D gunsight and Schwenkplatte SP 1A to the Bug-list.

Please vote for
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/313 Cockpit
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/314 bomb load
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/315 Wahlschalter
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/316 Revi C12/D and "Schwenkplatte SP 1A"
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/317 gear and flaps button auto pop out
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/125 Bombenzünder tag wrong description
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/123 Kühlerklappen switch
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/121 Prop-pitch automatic switch
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/120 Umschaltwarnung tag and lamps obsolet.
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/103 Bf 109 Bf 110 inverted prop pitch lever animation
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/88 MG 17 P.m.K ammunition
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/76 gunner view
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/65 cockpit gauges yellow glow
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/61 MG-FF/M

general:
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/326 Gunner MG-Firing - setup - "bug"
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/327 Gunner MG-firing - Mouse mode - "feature"
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/200 100 Octane fuel for 4 groups Bf 110 and 1 group Bf 109

Obsolete ones:
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/124 Heizung Tag description
This one is obsolete since C-series didn't had cabin heating. But I keep it for the E-Series (which might apeer in BoM)
http://www.il2bugtracker.com/issues/41 Fuel distribution
Might be obsolete since it's correct build in. See posts #14 and following.


Edit: changed name to "Bf 110 Bug fest"

[robtek]

I don't know where you got the information about the bomb load, but no Bf110 C could carry 2000 kg as it is already above max. weight with 1000kg and 60% fuel.
Later on it could carry 8 x 50kg bombs.

[Kodoss]

@Robtek: so you wanna say that "D.(Luft)T.579/2" printed July 1940 and "D.(Luft)T.579/6" printed October 1940 given out from the german Luftwaffe are wrong?

Don't forget that those early ones doesn't have any heavy armor like the later ones.
And in the "D.(Luft)T.2110C, D und E; Bf 110 C, D und E Flugzeughandbuch Teil 8B Einbau und Prüfung der Abwurfwaffe; Heft 1" from May 1941 on page 5 under "Beschreibung" (description) you find:
"Die Rumpfabwurfwaffe kann beladen werden mit:
2x SC 250 kg Bombe oder
2x SD 500 kg Bombe oder
1x SD 1000 kg Bombe oder
1x SC 1000 kg Bombe und
___________1x SC 250 kg Bombe.

Die Flächenabwurfwaffe kann beladen werden mit:
4x SD 50 kg Bombe oder
4x BD C 10 (BD 10 Bündel mit 5 SC 10) oder
2x S 125 (Nebelgeräte)."

If you count 1xSC1000+1xSC250+4xSD50 together you get 1450kg.
Add the weight of the armor platings from '41 in the Bf 110 and you get your 2000kg.

Or take the Bf 110 D-1: 1050 l Fuel + 106 l Oil in the belly tank and 2x900 l in the ventral tanks = 2956 l >> 2056*0,78 = 2306 kg and thats only fuel/oil! and I didn't add the weight of the empty tanks.
also starting weight: 7,1 t, by overload 9,3 t

So it can carry 2xSD1000 bombs!!
They even made the undercarriage sturdier for that by the C-7.
Even the C-1/B with their weaker undercarriage could be attached with them, but if you could take off in one piece from a grassfield is another question.

[robtek]

Ok, Kodoss,

The possibility to carry 1 SC1000 or SD1000 and 1 SC250 at the center station came with the E model, not earlier. Same for the bombs at the wing stations.

Just because all possible bombloads are listed that doesn't mean that any combination was usable.

For the D1 with the "Dackelbauch", you know that usually the 20mm ammo was unloaded when taking of fully loaded?

The D model did also either had the "Dackelbauch" with 1050 l fuel and 106 l oil and the internal fuel-load of 1240 l (D-0, D-1/R1) OR later (D1/R2) a oil-tank at the center station and 2 x 900 l or with the D2 2 x sc500 center mounted and 2x 300 l wing mounted tanks.

All that is within the practical limits and no wishful thinking, imo.

[Kodoss]

Then it is strange to see a picture of a Bf 110 C (old color scheme only used until May, so refitted C-1 to C-1B, refitted early C-4 to C-7 or early C-7) in the Document "Bf 110 Bedienungs- und Beladevorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe - Ausgabe Juli 1940 - D.(Luft) T.579/2" with a SD 500 and SC 1000 on the belly.

Btw my source of info: http://www.luftfahrt-archiv-hafner.de/
search for:
"Messerschmitt Bf 110
Baureihen C,D,E,F,G
Technisches Kompendium
ISBN-13: 978-3-939847-49-6
LAH-CD-ROM-1050"

and

"Messerschmitt Bf 110, Me 210, Me 410
Heinz Mankau/Peter Petrick
Aviatic Verlag
ISBN-10: 3-925505-62-8"

What is yours?

Also I know it would be horrible to even dare to fly an overloaded Bf 110 with 2x SD 1000. But it was possible to load them, so it should be possible to choose them.

Edit: I also added the Revi C12/D and the missing "Schwenkplatte SP 1A" to the bug-list. See 1. post.

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

...

hi. I sent you a private message. Did you read?

[Kodoss]

Yeah I read it, PM

[robtek]

To use a color scheme for a model identification is pretty vague, as the differences betweed C, D and E weren't that big, the old C could have been refurbished to any of the three series.

I don't have the D.(Luft)T.211, but as you have posted in #3 the combination 2 x SD1000 isn't mentioned -> isn't usable.

[Kodoss]

Beat the one who has written the manuals, but not me.

bombenlast.jpg

All 3 manuals against each other.

And for "Bf 110 C, D und E Handbuch Teil 8B Heft 1" remember the additionally 200 kg for the 4 x SD 50!

And you still didn't show me your sources....

Edit: and for your info, the color scheme in the factories was changed as the C-4 and C-7 series started the production.

[Kodoss]

Before you scream: "show me the Picture!!"

pic of bombload.jpg

That's from "D.(Luft) T.579/2 Bf 110 Bedien- und Beladungsvorschrift für die Abwurfwaffe" July 1940!!!