Outperformed by AI every single time

[Kwiatek]

Dont fly Hurricane until it would be fixed. Its maximum speed is way too slow even for 87 octan version. It is now even slowier then G50.

So until FM patch stay away from Hurricane MK1 and Spitfire MK1. Only sensible fighter in british side actually Spitfire Mark II.

[palker4]

Originally Posted by Kwiatek

Dont fly Hurricane until it would be fixed. Its maximum speed is way too slow even for 87 octan version. It is now even slowier then G50.

So until FM patch stay away from Hurricane MK1 and Spitfire MK1. Only sensible fighter in british side actually Spitfire Mark II.

My problem is with AI not FM. Hurricane being slower after the patch is the reason why i though that flying G50 against them would be fun and i could test the effectiveness of its 0,50 cal MGs but i could not enough to hit them. They were outdiving me with me with extended flaps!!!

[Kwiatek]

Originally Posted by palker4

My problem is with AI not FM. Hurricane being slower after the patch is the reason why i though that flying G50 against them would be fun and i could test the effectiveness of its 0,50 cal MGs but i could not enough to hit them. They were outdiving me with me with extended flaps!!!

AI was cheating from long time since Il2 was introduced.

But here there is also problem with accurate FM and performacne of some planes.

Hurricane was cuted in maximum speed in beta patch:


Hurricane MK 1 Rotol

238 mph /383 kph at the deck at +6 1/2 boost ------ should be 262-265 mph /420-426 kph !!!!

So it is 24-27mph/ 38-43 kph too slow at + 6 1/2 boost power !!!!

There is no WEP - so no 100 octan fuel performacne - which should give ab. 25 mph/ 40 kph extra speed at low alts


Truly speaking now it is slowier then G50 when it suppose to be faster plane. Now Hurricane sea level speed is even below 400 km/h - 383 km/h where G50 reach ab. 410 km/h as some raported.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by palker4

Sure whatever then explain me how it is possible that when i toggle auto pilot it will achieve 70 (dunno what are the units) manifold pressure with 100 % rich mixture 100% prop rpm without engine going kaboom within 60 seconds if I try to do that >> engine dead always

Simple.. based on IL-2 experience, the AI always knows the optimal settings for the best performance.. Which is why most real sim pilots have trouble obtaining the values displayed by IL2Comp, i.e.

http://www.flightsimtesting.com/

But it is too soon to tell if that is what is going on here in CoD or if it is a bug.. In that this is an 'alpha' patch, so there is the chance that what you are experiencing is a bug. But statisticly speaking, it is typically something the user is doing wrong and not a bug in the FM

[PotNoodles]

@palker4 - Did you report it in the bug tracker because it won't get fix by just talking about it here?

[GraveyardJimmy]

Originally Posted by ACE-OF-ACES

But it is too soon to tell if that is what is going on here in CoD or if it is a bug..

Luthier did says that the AI uses a simplified model of engine management.

Will not be changed. Engine model for AI is inherently simpler than that for the player. If we decide to make it more complex, there'll be a domino effect, and in any case there are more apparent game-affecting issues due to this than start-up.

Just assume that AI pilots have thorough mechanics, and yours is a lazy drunk.

This was in reference to a wish for AI to have to warm up engines on the bug tracker.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by GraveyardJimmy

Luthier did says that the AI uses a simplified model of engine management.

Which explains why the AI would be able to obtain the peek performace with ease, where as a real user would have to 'do more' to obtain the same performance..

Put another way, just because it is simplitied does not mean the AI should be able to obtain 'more' performance than a real user can, only that the real user would have to do more (settings wise) to obtain the same level of performance.

[jspec01]

In short, the compromise is very reasonable and necessary. What needs tweaking is the rule set under which the AI fly.

I think this is doable, since it's working under simplified rules to begin with. All the AI needs is to tone down some of their parameters (like their roll performance), place a timer on certain capabilities (so that they follow engine limits), place an upper limit that can't be exceeded by skill modifiers (so that AI skill doesn't exceed aircraft capabilities) and upgrade some others (so that even if surprised and being inactive at low skill levels, which i like, they should eventually start taking evasive action and not sit still indefinitely).

The real delay in such a process wouldn't come so much from the actual task of changing parameters in the code, but mostly from identifying what to change and how, as well as testing the results.

But can/will this be done? Was it planned, and there was just no time to implement, or is it not even on anyone's radar to do this?

As an offliner, even after tweaking the sliders and such in the fmb it's still too frustrating for me to play for any length of time.

[ATAG_Septic]

Originally Posted by palker4

No matter what i do i am always slower even if i close the radiators and put everything to the max i cannot catch G50 in level flight while the G50 is doing barrel rolls at speed that would put 190 in shame. Its more close to extra 300 really.
I end up with destroyed engine and he just flies away.
I end up raging and trying G50 to get revenge on that stupidly slow Hurricane. But what happens? I blow up my engine with Hurri doing exactly what I could not do in last flight.
The AI pilot are bunch of cheating trolls and no fix in sight.
If only there were refunds on steam.
RAAAAAAAAAGE

I have found that adjusting the AI with a little file called AITweak by a clever programmer (found it on here I believe) has helped me alot with this. I don't know about top-speeds but it does reduce the barrel-rolling behavior and makes off-line flying much more fun for me.

Septic.

[PotNoodles]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Septic

I have found that adjusting the AI with a little file called AITweak by a clever programmer (found it on here I believe) has helped me alot with this. I don't know about top-speeds but it does reduce the barrel-rolling behavior and makes off-line flying much more fun for me.

Septic.

Where is the link to that tool because I want to play offline first and if it's that good why don't they introduce it to the game.