The unfortunate turth

[shibidiboo25]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

With this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch, it's actually encuraging for other companies to get into ww2 combat flight siming.
Before the CLOD release, everyone, including other companies, were aware of the very high standards products released by Maddox Games and didn't risk getting into competition with them. Maddox Games had the market cornered.
Fast forward one year. Now everyone out there knows this team is a shadow of the powerhouse it once was, so I'm sure others will get into this genere and compete for all this honest and loyal customers.

Competition is the soul of progress. Bring it.

this game looking worse and worse from patch to patch is because of all the little fing crybaby trolls that wont shut the hell up until they get what they want when they want it, they forced Maddox to release this patch pre-maturly because of all they're bitching. it was fine the way it was. so don't blaim the company for this blaim the snot nose brats who have no life other than going on fourms and bitching all the live long day. Black Six said this patch was in no way shape or form ready, but everyone's constant qqing forced them to do this now everyone is on bitching again about how bad the patch sux, its like no $%^&*#@ DUH! maybe this time they will learn to wait for them to finish something rather than bitching about it.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Fjordmonkey

Alpha-patch in order to help find and squash the crash-bug that many have been struggeling with?

So you are telling me they intentionally made an ugly looking and bad running patch specially to help find the bugs this very patch has introduced?

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by Jaws2002

So you are telling me they intentionally made an ugly looking and bad running patch specially to help find the bugs this very patch has introduced?

The crash-bug has been in the game for far longer than this patch has been available, so no

I've never had an issue with crashing, however, and I haven't installed this alpha-patch. I'll at least wait until the Beta-patch is ready before I do that.

[furbs]

If the patch is definitely, absolutely, really, really a Alpha why did they call it a BETA in the title?

Not that it makes any difference to the patch contents or to me, they could of called the patch "Clarence" for all i care.

[Fjordmonkey]

Originally Posted by furbs

If the patch is definitely, absolutely, really, really a Alpha why did they call it a BETA in the title?

That would be called a feckup, and hey, sometimes it happens.

Originally Posted by Lensman_1

Firstly, you know what? Over the last year I've seen Tree_UK do little but state the facts, accurate facts, he's nearly always proved correct eventually and yet nonetheless there's a high number of forum members who consistently attempt to undermine him and ridicule him. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Secondly, I'm almost certainly about to get banned and I really don't care because for once I'M about to tell it how it really is.

I've been a passionate devotee of the IL-2 series since the beginning over a decade ago. I've purchased every iteration, run the software on 3 different PCs, bought Track-IR, CH-Products rudder pedals and throttle and cherish my original MS Sidewinder FF stick that has been with me all that time and flown all my simulated aircraft. I've been fully committed! I watched the progress of COD (or Battle Of Britain as it was originally known) from the earliest hints of it being worked on, I valued the DVD clips in the IL-2 1946 package, I trawled the web to find updates, I had an order in place with Play.com (UK) for YEARS (literally). When the sim was finally announced I placed an order for 2 Collector's Editions at once with UBISHOP and, despite the curious lack of revealing demo clips available on the web (odd that eh?) I still couldn't wait. I bought 2 GTX-580 gpus to run COD in the promised SLI and the promised DX-11. I was a full on fan and supporter of Oleg Maddox and his astonishing project that after so many years of development was PROMISED by 1C to be a new era in personal combat flight simulation. Then the game was released and immediately there was trouble. The epilepsy filter, the defects, the lack of SLI, the lack of DX-11, the lack of campaign mode, the appalling frame rate ... as has since been fully acknowledged by the development team the application was pushed out unfinished and in a terrible state. It was nowhere near a saleable commodity, they HAD to release it to recoup funds to continue and (as they promised) quickly fix all the issues.

Many of us felt cheated by that approach because it was obviously a con. They insisted prior to release that all was well, even after release they kept quiet about the problems until forced into a corner. It's no coincidence that the only real admission of the truth of the situation was AFTER the USA release when a lot more people had been conned and a lot more money brought into the 1C (and their backers') account.

Then they made a clean start, admitted what had happened, promised to fix it fast and asked us to please stick around and let them justify our trust and our investment. That, for the moment, appealed to me and I did indeed stick around but I didn't contribute to this forum because I wanted to wait and see what happened. Please bear in mind that in the good old days of 2001 to 2005 I was very active on the IL-2 forum and you can still see my posts there. I never courted controversy and I was never banned or warned by the moderators.

So ... in the last year what has happened?
Well, this forum is now effectively a fascist state. The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here. This does noone any good. In that time we've also had several patches, I've applied them all, that have made minor incremental changes to aspects of the sim and virtually no improvements to the underlying issues that matter, that actually affect the immersive experience of flying an aircraft in combat. Then we got to the beyond surreal point where having not even vaguely completed the application that we've all paid a considerable amount of money for and which a year ago we got a solemn promise from the team that they wouldn't rest until our investment was justified and they'd finished the game, we're told that they're working on a SEQUEL, that we'll be expected to pay for and we'd have to wait for the engine being used for that to be completed so it can be plugged into COD. The smell of rat was getting strong now.
Even then I was patient, I believed them still, I awaited the uber-patch with great interest, I genuinely believed that they could do it. Then they kept us waiting and waiting. Weeks went into months. Then there was the propoganda of it being nearly finished and producing AMAZING results that would TRANSFORM the game's playability and quality ... oh, but then that code turned out to be full of defects and actually not quite ready for release after all despite being only hours away when last they mentioned it. THEN they released the latest patch, the one that we'd been told would only be released when it was actually going to REALLY improve the application, REALLY improve the gameplay, the graphics, the sound, the framerate ... Well it didin't did it ... it made things worse mostly and that's after they'd turned OFF some graphic features to save resource.

So, David Hayward, do YOU actually understand the purpose of a public beta test? Do you realize that a beta test is supposed to be of finished, bullet proof software? That you only release it because you're certain it's the finished product BUT you want one last mass test under real world conditions to check before GUARANTEEING it's worth? I don't think that you DO understand that and I'm CERTAIN that's not what happened here. This was mid development software released under duress and it's nowhere near ready for use by the end users.

In conclusion. We were conned. We are STILL being conned. They will NOT fix this application. Do NOT fall into the trap again and purchase the so called sequel. Open your eyes people, the game is over!

I fully expect to be banned for offering this truthful and non-troll opinion. As I said, I care passionately about the IL-2 series, and I've waited a LONG time before speaking my mind but this has now got patently obviously RIDICULOUS!

Goodbye all and good luck. See you in the ROF skies I hope.

Best wishes
Phil

Great post. I agree on 100pct. Just short note. Some of members have found out this painful truth just few days after first release. They were banned, ridiculed, expelled from this community. The MOST sad thing around this game is how slow death of IL2 game affected IL2 community. There were never ever such intolerance, such hatred. It was in fact IL2 community itself which kept this game for so long, when Oleg and his boys just ignored community. And how this community was rewarded for a decade of support, loyalty, patience and DIY culture?


And to the people who keep saying that critics are to blame... Yeah! When the critics will be silenced everything will be good. Next patch... alpha or beta or just PATCH, will be fine. All critics will come back and will beg you on the knees for forgiveness just to be allowed to be part of this GREAT community again...

[carguy_]

Originally Posted by Tree_UK

The post was edited, end of.

Nope, sorry. Just lack of your reading comprehension. You manage to find a new low everytime. Blaming 1C/BlackSix for everything.

[Lurker_71]

How come anti aliasing still does not work in the "new" engine? Any ideas?

[Wolf_Rider]

Originally Posted by Pudfark

Please refrain AoA...your "qualifiers" are adding to the confusion.

incoveniently for some (it seems) what AoA says is correct though....

Originally Posted by Lensman_1

The moderators are completely intolerant of any legitimate criticism of the parlous state of COD and ban contributors who have PAID THEIR SALARY (if they're not volunteers) and those of the dev team. I've never seem an online community so denied free speech, democracy is NOT thriving here.

Actually... constructive criticism is welcomed by all, it is the constant whinging and bitching (combined with thread disruption) which brought the stick out.

How many times to people have to harp on the same 'ol same 'ol?
What, exactly, does anyone think they would achieve by constantly whinging?

Free speech, doesn't mean you can say whatever the heck you feel like...

[PotNoodles]

I cannot imagine what the developers will say in the next update. With half the people on here having all these problems still, I do hope they don't just say the patch is nearly complete but for a few remaining bugs..Well I do hope they say that but only if it's true.

The only thing I want out of this game is a good constant FPS and CTD gone. Can someone please explain how 7 months of fixing has made little difference when I have a computer that is more then capable of running any game. 1 year on and we are still at alpha stage of testing a patch that will bring us better FPS and no crashes? I'm all for that but I cannot help but think we should be a lot further on by now. Specs below.

i7 930 Overclocked 4.0ghz
Gainward phantom Geforce 680GTX 2mb
4Gig Ram
Raptor HD