Foo'bar banned

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by robtek

He definitely didn't deserve the ban.

People have to be responsible for their actions, he didn't do anything wrong, it's the act first-think later crowd which got what they deserved.

Agreed. On my reading of all this he merely bumped an old thread, that is all. It is done all the time.

How could he predict that some people would be so stupid as to download an old patch without reading his post or any others?

He did not deserve a ban, no malice, no wrongdoing.

There are plenty of others I would have banned a long time ago, and many of them are the ones who downloaded and whined about the bumping of the patch thread.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

So it's cool to be an ass if we contribute to the sim? Sweet, I'll go fire up 3DS Max so I have carte blanche to be a jerk on the forums.

Oh wait.... nope, sorry, contributing 3d models does not render a person above the law.

If you are going to invoke law, then you best point to the forum rule that was breached and why it does not result in banning in all cases.

It is a general principle present in most legal systems that people should not be held responsible for unforeseeable and unintended consequences, even if they brought them about. If they were, then everyone would have been on trial at Nuremberg.

[CaptainDoggles]

This week, on I Take Everything Literally, we learn that "above the law" is a figure of speech

forum rule that was breached

Trolling is against the rules, and anyone pretending that foobar wasn't just trying to troll people is deluding themselves

and why it does not result in banning in all cases.

I am not a moderator so I have no idea why they don't ban all the trolls.

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

This week, on I Take Everything Literally, we learn that "above the law" is a figure of speech

Don't be droll, I am directly questioning the standards you are applying. I am saying that based on the rules and 'laws' we write down, be they forum rules or legal rules, it would be difficult to point to any wrongdoing by Foo'Bar, yet you still insist on blood.

I am saying you are in favour of dispensing mob justice, just because the dumb mob got burnt. By accident and their own stupidity.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

I am not a moderator so I have no idea why they don't ban all the trolls.

Lol well I agree there. Some things are a mystery.

Originally Posted by CaptainDoggles

Trolling is against the rules, and anyone pretending that foobar wasn't just trying to troll people is deluding themselves

Do you hear yourself? Well I'll indulge this - what are the elements of this 'trolling' offence and how has foobar met them?

Since you are calling into question the judgment of anyone who doubts that foobar is guilty before proven innocent, it might also be pertinent to describe the standards by which you tell when someone is deluding themselves.

Before I come to this website I make sure I have this playing as background music

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oavMtUWDBTM

Actually before I read update threads this is a MUST!

[irR4tiOn4L]

Originally Posted by tarks

Actually before I read update threads this is a MUST!

Does this express your opinion on what Foo'bar did? If so, why not come right out and say it, and have your opinion tested?

You seemed much braver in the other thread;

Originally Posted by tarks

It does not matter who you think you are Foo'Bar , you screw about and you get banned like the rest of us.

But have brought as little value as you did there

[FS~Phat]

As I said, whether intentional malicious intent or not he still did something in very poor judgement that led to people's systems being inoperable. He should know better than to resurrect an old beta thread. The reason others weren't banned for looking back on the past years events was because they didn't try to invoke a community response by bringing up an old thread. If I did the same I would expect to be banned myself for poor judgement. He is not above the rules an nor is anyone else. I will consider the length of ban but he in my mind was stirring the pot at a time that was in very poor taste and judgement.

If you noticed I changed the name of the old beta thread and when I have time I will do the same for the others. It's a difficult job to moderate here and it's my daughters 1st birthday today so excuse me if I haven't got the 8hrs a day to moderate, the same as some of you that all the time in the world to troll about all day long. That's all the time I'm prepared to put into this today and I stand by my decision.

[159th_Jester]

Did Pencon get banned for resurrecting the other patch thread yesterday.... After Foo'Bar had had his little "joke?"

[CaptainDoggles]

Originally Posted by irR4tiOn4L

Since you are calling into question the judgment of anyone who doubts that foobar is guilty before proven innocent, it might also be pertinent to describe the standards by which you tell when someone is deluding themselves.

I think you're taking this just a wee bit too seriously. This isn't a court of law. There's no such thing as "guilty until proven innocent" on the internet. Somebody apparently installed that patch and wrecked their game and reported the post, moderators decided it was trolling or otherwise inappropriate for the forum. End of story.

[Buchon]

Sometimes you guys forget that this forum is a war zone, it always was since the days of Forgotten Battles.

There trolls here all the time trying to trolling the community and in the opposite side the moderators trying get ride off of them, with specially intensity this days when CLOD is in a delicate state.

You should be aware of this if you don't want get hit by a lost bullet.

I guess that Foobar just acted without thinking the consequences, but the moderators are bound to take actions to fix the mess.

I think that a better idea was resolve it with a infraction, but this debate is useless now.

Anyway ... Foobar belong to this community, he will be welcomed when this get solved and we´ll see his contributions to IL-2 again, because he is a good and appreciated member of the IL-2 community.

That´s the difference between ban a troll and ban good member.