The Crystal Ball 2

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

They Sugar Coat the Truth

Exactly again, a sugar coated truth is tastier than a rotten lie, much of the whinging is basically wild speculation or lies.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Exactly again, a sugar coated truth is tastier than a rotten lie, much of the whinging is basically wild speculation or lies.

But a ctd is not a rotten lie im afraid.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

But a ctd is not a rotten lie im afraid.

Quite, nobody ever claimed it as a lie, the only lie is the one about 'everybody' getting ctd's.
either way, since everybody knows ctd's aren't a lie and are painfully aware of them, how many more times does it need mentioning? and I ask this as a person who does get the occasional ctd.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Exactly again, a sugar coated truth is tastier than a rotten lie, much of the whinging is basically wild speculation or lies.

Agreed 100%

Bongodriver said:

>>much of the whinging is basically wild speculation or lies<<

Not really, no.

But it allows you to parody it and go riding bareback into the desert called 'Defending the citadel of Clod' (bit of a mouthful for a desert name I think you'll agree) if you portray it this way.

And it deflects from the actual issues at hand, which is what much of this is about.

The more fanciful paranoias and flights of fancy are treated with fairly equal contempt by both sides, I would say. So no need to worry about them too much.

As for the 'he's calling the devs liars, he is! he is! teacher!' - well that's just low-life trying to get people bogged down and banned. And pathetic for all that.

But then this is what happens - you get into nonsense about arguing about the arguments - which this 'defend at all costs' segment of the fans tend to do. Best not to be fooled by this.

But the game itself, and its faults, have a nasty habit of drowning out the crap and meta-arguments, after a while, and bringing things back to the real issues i.e. how much is broken or not working properly, or not present.

In this respect not much has changed one year after release. Read into that what you will.

Ben

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Falstaff

Bongodriver said:

>>much of the whinging is basically wild speculation or lies<<

Not really, no.

But it allows you to parody it and go riding bareback into the desert called 'Defending the citadel of Clod' (bit of a mouthful for a desert name I think you'll agree) if you portray it this way.

And it deflects from the actual issues at hand, which is what much of this is about.

The more fanciful paranoias and flights of fancy are treated with fairly equal contempt by both sides, I would say. So no need to worry about them too much.

As for the 'he's calling the devs liars, he is! he is! teacher!' - well that's just low-life trying to get people bogged down and banned. And pathetic for all that.

But then this is what happens - you get into nonsense about arguing about the arguments - which this 'defend at all costs' segment of the fans tend to do. Best not to be fooled by this.

But the game itself, and its faults, have a nasty habit of drowning out the crap and meta-arguments, after a while, and bringing things back to the real issues i.e. how much is broken or not working properly, or not present.

In this respect not much has changed one year after release. Read into that what you will.

Ben

Can anybody here claim to have never seen a ctd in their life before COD? since I have had a PC I have had CTD's blue screens, HD's, GFX cards, RAM, fans, power packs all porked, yet for some reason people are trying to convince us that the COD devs are the inventors of the 'memory leak' and CTD and all known problems with their technology, neither is COD the first game I ever bought in a bad state on release, yet again people are trying to have us believe this didn't happen before COD, the COD devs are not the first I have experienced to be reticent on progress updates, just about every Half life game has been released by surprise and had bugs to boot, but for some reason people are trying to convince us the COD devs are in cahoots with Satan.

Blue screens? have you been on some naughty websites waiting for the clod patch?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bob_Marley

Blue screens? have you been on some naughty websites waiting for the clod patch?

You don't know what a blue screen is?

Bongodriver said:

>>Can anybody here claim to have never seen a ctd in their life before COD? <<

Rhetorical, I assume.

...but as many times as Clod...?

>>since I have had a PC I have had CTD's blue screens, HD's, GFX cards, RAM, fans, power packs all porked, yet for some reason people are trying to convince us that the COD devs are the inventors of the 'memory leak' and CTD and all known problems with their technology, neither is COD the first game I ever bought in a bad state on release,<<

Who is this mysterious sect?

And how many games ahve you bought that were as bad as Clod on release? Honestly....? And not just bad o rbarely a barely functioning alpha, but with as many missing features...?

Ver, very few, I would bet.

>> yet again people are trying to have us believe this didn't happen before COD, the COD devs are not the first I have experienced to be reticent on progress updates,<<

Where is this mysterious sect that said this? Hardly anyone by any chance....? More straw targets. When you can;t stick to the facts, invent ghost opposition, is that it?

>>just about every Half life game has been released by surprise and had bugs to boot, but for some reason people are trying to convince us the COD devs are in cahoots with Satan. <<

Ah, those mysterious 'people' again.

I dont much like bubonic plague either (those damned bubos...) but it's ot got much to do with this. Nor has your post.

It's a question of degree, as you well know.

Stop trying to imply that this was just 'slightly troubled' release, with a few problems commonly seen elsewhere. It isn't and it wasn't. It was breath-takingly bad.

Ben

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Can anybody here claim to have never seen a ctd in their life before COD? since I have had a PC I have had CTD's blue screens, HD's, GFX cards, RAM, fans, power packs all porked, yet for some reason people are trying to convince us that the COD devs are the inventors of the 'memory leak' and CTD and all known problems with their technology, neither is COD the first game I ever bought in a bad state on release, yet again people are trying to have us believe this didn't happen before COD, the COD devs are not the first I have experienced to be reticent on progress updates, just about every Half life game has been released by surprise and had bugs to boot, but for some reason people are trying to convince us the COD devs are in cahoots with Satan.

I got a blue screen crash on RoF last night. I don't plan to spend the next 6 months complaining about it on their message board.