Speed graphs for Spitfire and Hurricane

[Osprey]

Yup, could've read that in my first post pages ago though.......

It's 87 octane model as per bug #84 by klem, but unfortunately, and us RAF are all to blame for not picking this up really, the modelling of 87 octane is historically incorrect for the Battle of Britain.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Osprey

Yup, could've read that in my first post pages ago though.......

It's 87 octane model as per bug #84 by klem, but unfortunately, and us RAF are all to blame for not picking this up really, the modelling of 87 octane is historically incorrect for the Battle of Britain.

Available evidence shows that about half the stations received 100 octane fuel.

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Available evidence shows that about half the stations received 100 octane fuel.

Even if i agreed with you, the airfields on the CLOD map are those stations regardless......

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Available evidence shows that about half the stations received 100 octane fuel.

Yes.

Well, if all of one half are belonging to Fighter Command and based in the south and south east England then well... you do the math.

[Kurfürst]

Originally Posted by Fenrir

Yes.

Well, if all of one half are belonging to Fighter Command and based in the south and south east England then well... you do the math.

According to whom..? Luftluuver?

Seriously, based on the availabe combat reports etc., such a list of "100octanened" fighter stations was put together a long time and many post ago. I see a lot of stations of 11 Group w/o 100 octane. See: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...8&postcount=43

[Fenrir]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

According to whom..? Luftluuver?

Seriously, based on the availabe combat reports etc., such a list of "100octanened" fighter stations was put together a long time and many post ago. I see a lot of stations of 11 Group w/o 100 octane. See: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...8&postcount=43

Precisely. the only 11 Group airfields I don't see on that list are Manston and Debden. Of those major fields and their primary satellites on the list, only 6 have not got 100 octane by the time of Adler Tag (and that assumes a worst case scenario that the August fields did not get it till the end of the month).

Some of those airfields you mention - e.g. Martlesham, Detling, West Malling - are barely that - they are at worst meadows which can support the landing and takeoff of aircraft or at best have minimal infrastructure and hangarage. Aircraft were generally not based at these fileds overnight but flown to and from the parent field at dawn and dusk. Smilarly the parent airfield was responsible for the supply and logistics of these smaller satellittes.

That looks like some good research btw. Still would need to see the source docs for proof of derived data.

[fruitbat]

in that thread that Kurfurst posted from, a later collated list from combat reports,

The following Spitfire and Hurricane squadrons are known to have used 100 octane fuel before or during the BoB:
1, 17, 19, 41, 43, 54, 56, 64, 65, 66, 72, 73, 74, 79, 85, 87, 92, 141, 145, 151, 152, 222, 229, 234, 245, 249, 264, 303, 602, 603, 605, 609, 610, 611, 616

These squadrons were stationed at the following airfields (bold text) at sometime during the BoB.


11 Group

RAF Biggin Hill

- RAF West Malling

RAF Debden

- RAF Martlesham Heath

RAF Hornchurch

- RAF Hawkinge
- RAF Gravesend
- RAF Manston, night fighter base
- RAF Rochford

RAF Kenley

- RAF Croydon

RAF Northolt

RAF North Weald

- RAF Martlesham
- RAF Stapleford

RAF Tangmere

- RAF West Malling
- RAF Ford
- RAF Lee on Solent, RN airfield
- RAF Gosport, RN airfield
- RAF Thorney Island
- RAF Westhampnett


Not sure which Sector airfield these were assigned to but as all the sector airfields had 100 octane fuel, these to would need a stock of 100 octane fuel.

RAF Detling

RAF Eastchurch

RAF Hendon

RAF Lympne


In 10 Group, 5 of the 6 airfields had stocks of 100 octane fuel.

In 12 Group, 7 of the 8 airfields had stocks of 100 octane fuel.

In 13 Group, 7 of the 10 airfields had stocks of 100 octane fuel. Of the 3 that possible didn't have stocks of 100 octane fuel, one was based in the Shetland Is. and the other in the Orkney Is.

There is some really good info from all participants and from both sides in that thread amongst the arguing.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Available evidence shows that about half the stations received 100 octane fuel.

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Seriously, based on the availabe combat reports etc., such a list of "100octanened" fighter stations was put together a long time and many post ago. I see a lot of stations of 11 Group w/o 100 octane. See: http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showpos...8&postcount=43

you are yet again being deliberately misleading and misrepresent facts, to suit your own personal agenda, not really surprising given your track record in that regard

that list made by TheGrunch in that post is simply a list of direct reports from certain pilots in some specific squadrons stating they were using 100 octane fuel (which is entirely normal, since we already know it was being supplied extensively during that period). and a significant number of the pilots refer to it because compared to pre-BoB performance it is an important issue for most of them

what that list does NOT say is that there is somewhere an equal list of reports from all other 50% of squadrons and pilots that they were using 87 octane ! i challenge you directly here, and either put up or shut up ! you now go and try to provide proof of this misleading information you are trying to peddle here !! (no, and german war propaganda does not count). find it from brittish wartime sources (or extensive analyses from fuel samples taken by germans from many downed or captured brittish aircraft of that era), quote it directly, and give your specific sources. you cant , i know you cant, because it doesnt exist (except in the fictional reality you live in )

numerous other posters in this forum, including me providing several in this thread, have on the other hand already provided our information that directly indicates 100 octane fuel was available to most fighter squadrons FROM THE START OF BoB, and that if any pilots didnt have it at one point or another THEY WOULD BE THE EXCEPTION. your deliberate misrepresentation and misleading posts do not change that or magically alter history !

get it ? the absence of direct quotes of 100 octane in the other 50% of squadrons he didnt list (provided by TheGrunch) is NOT evidence of the use of 87 octane fuel in the rest of them, simple really ? but of course comprehending it requires you to be intellectually honest and deal with known historical facts in a logical and impartial manner

[SlipBall]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Available evidence shows that about half the stations received 100 octane fuel.

That then would explain the development team's stance on this subject, they may have figures/charts/graphs/testimonials on fuel distribution of the 100oc .

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by Kurfürst

Available evidence shows that about half the stations received 100 octane fuel.

you have been shown to be so unreliable and deliberately misleading in the past on numerous occasions, that anything you say on the ww2 era aircraft is meaningless