Spitfire : CloD vs A2A

[klem]

Horses for Courses. I love flying the A2A Spitfire and the FSX-adapted English Electric Llightning in FSX. I love the air combat in CoD.

Right now I have to say the A2A FM and general feel is an easy winner. But it can't shoot down 109s

I use photo secenery in FSX with Autogenerated scenery off (trees, buildings etc). Above a couple of thousand feet you wouldn't know and I set Forest Off on CoD, it doesn't have any value except to allow targets to hide and I don't generally fight that low down anyway.

[JG52Uther]

Osprey, Frey wrote this about the zoom:

I set up a button on my joystick so that when I hold it down I can zoom in and out by moving my mouse backwards and forwards. It is a button function you can find in the "options" section...

This is a work-around because CoD doesn't have the obvious possibility of setting one joystick button to "zoom in" and another to "zoom out". That would be far better.

[Chivas]

I haven't flown the A2A Spitfire, but I would think they would do a very good job on many aspects of the Spitfire, because that all they have to model. I doubt that the flight model would be as good as it would have to be tweaked into the FSX game engine designed for general flying purposes. I guess you'd have to fly the A2A Spitfire in a combat situation against a ME 109 to see how happy you were with the flight model.

[ATAG_Doc]

How much does all the bells and whistles cost?

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

How much does all the bells and whistles cost?

Doc, it can cost a freaking TON -- which Dutch warned me about. First you have to have Microsoft Simulator FSX: $40.98 Amazon.ca

The basic A2A Wings of Power 3 Spitfire: $29.99
A2A Accusim bundled in: +$19.99

Then there's Real Extreme Environment $ more
Then there's Ground Environment X $ more
Oh, add in some NASA-approved Canadian scenery: $ more
Oh, better get some Canadian Ultimate Traffic X $ more
Hmmm, how about that X-Rated Spitgirl? $$$$$ more
Prefer blonde (natural) add-on to that? $ more
And a friend? $$$ more

You get the picture...

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Doc, it can cost a freaking TON -- which Dutch warned me about. First you have to have Microsoft Simulator FSX: $40.98 Amazon.ca

The basic A2A Wings of Power 3 Spitfire: $29.99
A2A Accusim bundled in: +$19.99

Then there's Real Extreme Environment $ more
Then there's Ground Environment X $ more
Oh, add in some NASA-approved Canadian scenery: $ more
Oh, better get some Canadian Ultimate Traffic X $ more
Hmmm, how about that X-Rated Spitgirl? $$$$$ more
Prefer blonde (natural) add-on to that? $ more
And a friend? $$$ more

You get the picture...

Coop? Su-26? For the price you should get all that and more right?

[fruitbat]

wonder if it has 100 octane fuel......

[ATAG_Snapper]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Doc

Coop? Su-26? For the price you should get all that and more right?

Absolutely! But you don't.

I think the point you're making, quite effectively, is that we're already getting a huge bang-for-the-lousy-50-bucks with Cliffs of Dover, even without a coop GUI or Su26. If so, I couldn't agree more.

I like A2A strictly for the educational value. I've been a Spitfire freak since I first read Al Deere's "Nine Lives" back in '63 -- so the A2A study sim is heaven-sent for me personally. I just wish I could shoot stuff.

Which brings me to Cliffs of Dover. What the devs have accomplished is absolutely amazing, even in its incomplete and boogered form. It was an easy transition from the CoD cockpit to the much-greater detailed A2A Spit's cockpit. Flying CEM in CoD, especially in online combat, gives you a good background in the relationships between throttle settings (boost) and propellor pitch (rpms), plus all the temps, pressures, trim settings, etc etc etc. It's easier to break a Merlin in A2A's version, but the CoD's CEM workload under combat pressure prepares anyone for the more finicky A2A Merlins. The A2A documentation (along with the Accusim docs) are excellent bar none.

The only switch, lever, or control that doesn't work AFAIK in the A2A Spitfire is the seat height adjustment (oops - not counting the gun button.....minor detail LOL).

But if you're NOT a Spitfire freak of some description, the CoD Spitfire is plenty fine in many respects. In fact, it's plenty fine if you ARE a Spitfire freak. And it shoots stuff!

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Doc, it can cost a freaking TON -- which Dutch warned me about.

But I think I know that now you're there, you just won't stop!!

'Think I'll try this photo scenery!'

'Think I'll buy a Lancaster!'

'Think I'll buy my local airport in photo real gfx!'

'Think I'll sell the wife!'

Then your force feedback stops working for no apparent reason and you say 'bollox microsoft! you can kiss my bottom, I'm not playing anymore!'

Then you go back to moaning about the Spit's FM in Cliffs of Dover................

[Walrus1]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper

Doc, it can cost a freaking TON -- which Dutch warned me about. First you have to have Microsoft Simulator FSX: $40.98 Amazon.ca

The basic A2A Wings of Power 3 Spitfire: $29.99
A2A Accusim bundled in: +$19.99

Then there's Real Extreme Environment $ more
Then there's Ground Environment X $ more
Oh, add in some NASA-approved Canadian scenery: $ more
Oh, better get some Canadian Ultimate Traffic X $ more
Hmmm, how about that X-Rated Spitgirl? $$$$$ more
Prefer blonde (natural) add-on to that? $ more
And a friend? $$$ more

You get the picture...

It seems like alot. But how much did you pay for that Thrustmaster HOTAS? Those go for over $400. Isn't the software worth paying a few hundred dollars for too?