Friday Update, April 13, 2012

[Al Schlageter]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

I do not doubt that they fought against fighters, but the Hurricane primarily responsible was shooting down the bombers. (or i miss something? Spitfire praise is actually a fake thing?)

Is that like 190s were for shooting down Allied heavy bombers and the 109 was for shooting down Allied fighters?

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Frequent_Flyer

Read the history of the Polish Sqdns. fighting in BOB. They flew predominately Hurri's and the majority of their kills were not bombers. in addition they were not allowed to engage in combat until aprox. half of the time span genellay accepted as BOB, elapsed. They still were some of the highest scoring units to participate.

Can you give me the sources? I looking now detailed air victory lists, but i don't find...

[VO101_Tom]

Originally Posted by Al Schlageter

Is that like 190s were for shooting down Allied heavy bombers and the 109 was for shooting down Allied fighters?

iirc the Hurri responsible to shot down bombers, because it was slower than any other fighter in the BOB. I think this is a completely legitimate reason...
I dont know what was the RLM standards, in the Royal Hunagarian Air Force, the 190 was used as Jabo planes.

[Moggy]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

I do not doubt that they fought against fighters, but the Hurricane primarily responsible was shooting down the bombers. (or i miss something? Spitfire praise is actually a fake thing?)

That was how it supposed to be Tom (and the generally accepted truth), unfortunately it rarely turned out that way. During the battle, raids tended to be intercepted at squadron strength (especially for the 1st 2 months of the battle) be it Hurricanes, Spitfires etc. The plan of having Hurris attacking bombers and Spits tackling the 109 escorts just really didn't take place until later in the battle when 12 group came into their own during the battle over London. There was more time to organize the fighters and assign them to the correct altitude\vectors.

[Walrus1]

Originally Posted by mazex

Mmm, I've been waiting for the day when the main fighting is about the Spitfire vs 109 performance in the game versus tons of obscure references instead of performance and bugs in the game A good sign!

Exactly.

The next step is to go online and find a half-dozen active servers to choose from, some so full that you have to wait to join them.

[svanen]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Funny, an Hurricane on Atag recently cut my whole wing with a single burst while I was landing ... probably the pilot wasn't aware of my invulnerability ...

Well, then it was good aiming from him...

[Stublerone]

What I have to say once more in my opinion: The BoB event in the war was the at least most boring war place. So the game is difficult to fill with immersive content, as it was simply not the big war, only showing each other the strength. Germany wanted to make themselves bigger and Britain tried to get time, until americans election was finished and they could join the WW2 (sure also other stuff, that leads to that).

I like the map and its landscape, but I simply do not like the Battle of Britain as a scenario. I am really looking forward to the Eastern front, at least when we get a good net code and a great bunch of vehicles on the map. The possibilties for immersive flights are much bigger than BoB.

I also prefer a later planeset. And later on, the clans can argue again about realistic or balanced planesets in their coops or missions.

So, everything is okay so far.

[zapatista]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

iirc the Hurri responsible to shot down bombers, because it was slower than any other fighter in the BOB. I think this is a completely legitimate reason....

the hurricanes were initially mainly tasked with engaging enemy bombers because there were only 2 fighter planes available that were fast enough to catch up to the bombers and engage them. of the 2 available planes, the hurricane was the weapon of choice because:
- it was a more stable gun platform
- it had heavier gun armaments at the start of BoB compared to the spitfire
- it could stand (slightly) heavier damage then the spitfire from german bomber defensive guns
- it was less fast and less agile then the spitfire, so significantly less competitive with the 109's, so by default it was relegated to the bomber interception role (out of the 2 choices the RAF had)

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by VO101_Tom

Can you give me the sources? I looking now detailed air victory lists, but i don't find...

Hi Tom,

Just google '303 squadron battle of britain' and you'll find loads of info.

Here's the page from wonderful wiki though,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._303...ghter_Squadron

[Osprey]

Originally Posted by adonys

Also, 109 had actually better roll rate, and so on..

Let's put this one to bed shall we.

The Spitfire roll rate was improved dramatically with metal ailerons. The 109 could only out roll the Spitfire at low speeds, at high speeds it locked up. At present in the game the controls for the 109 don't seem to lock up anywhere near as much as they should. Hopefully this will get fixed.

I don't know if this graph represents fabric or metal ailerons


"The RAE reported: "At 400 m.p.h. the Me.109 pilot, pushing sideways with all his strength, can only apply 1/5 aileron, thereby banking 45 deg. in about 4 secs.; on the Spitfire also, only 1/5 aileron can be applied at 400 m.p.h., and again the time to bank is 45 deg. in 4 secs. Both aeroplanes thus have their rolling manoeuvrability at high speeds seriously curtailed by aileron heaviness."