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IL-2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover Latest instalment in the acclaimed IL-2 Sturmovik series from award-winning developer Maddox Games.

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Old 04-13-2012, 07:15 PM
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IMOH the infexibility of the planeset (and maps) the biggest disadvantage of this.
infexibility of planeset? Can you expand on this? Because I am not sure what you mean by that

infexibility of maps? Granted not every inch of euro, let alone all the other areas of conflict are on the map.. But since the majority of WWI air battles, or at least the best known, can be simulated using this map, I don't see how they are infexibil? Also note, RoF is working on a new map as we speak.. So again, not sure what you mean by infexibility
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New content is allways nice.. And as 1C has stated, new content will be handled the same way it was done with IL-2.. i.e. sequals

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you
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Old 04-13-2012, 07:37 PM
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New content is allways nice.. And as 1C has stated, new content will be handled the same way it was done with IL-2.. i.e. sequals

Personally I like the RoF method better, where you pay for individual items.. The nice thing about the RoF method is you get a quicker turn around on new content, and you can pick and choose the content that is important to you
Finally something i agree with.
I would pay good money for a IL2 style COOP set up.
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I also prefer the RoF model. A steady supply of new planes is better than occasional sequels.
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Ive said it manytimes as have others.. my money is on the table, I'm keen to buy whatever is on offer within reason
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Old 04-13-2012, 08:07 PM
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infexibility of planeset? Can you expand on this? Because I am not sure what you mean by that

infexibility of maps? Granted not every inch of euro, let alone all the other areas of conflict are on the map.. But since the majority of WWI air battles, or at least the best known, can be simulated using this map, I don't see how they are infexibil? Also note, RoF is working on a new map as we speak.. So again, not sure what you mean by infexibility
I think you can agree that the DLC systems are very expensive (was invented for this reason ). If we assume that the great majority of users can not buy the whole package because of this, i wonder, how can you make online wars, or historical servers with locked planeset. If the pilots fly only their favorite planes? I don't want this would be the future: couple of huge maps, with 2-3 flyable types...

I dont fly in RoF, i dont know how it work. There is any historical online war? Or historical dogservers? Accurate date and theatre with accurate planeset?
Even if yes, i think, there is much more theatre, much more maps, and much more planes during ww2... lots of maps, lots of machines, even if only collect of your favorites ...
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I'm just gonna say that I'd rather have a flyable Fiat Cr.42 than an IL-2 and I'd much rather fly over the Mediterranean then over Russian steppe wastelands. Still, I will buy BoM because let's face it, what else is there? RoF? I already own that and it's a great sim, truly is, too bad I have near to 0 interest in WWI kites, I just bought it because I got the Iron Cross Edition something something for 6$ at a sale.
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I'm just gonna say that I'd rather have a flyable Fiat Cr.42 than an IL-2 and I'd much rather fly over the Mediterranean then over Russian steppe wastelands. Still, I will buy BoM because let's face it, what else is there? RoF? I already own that and it's a great sim, truly is, too bad I have near to 0 interest in WWI kites, I just bought it because I got the Iron Cross Edition something something for 6$ at a sale.
Ok, i understand this, but I doubt the DLC system ever introduced, the devs will develop unique aircrafts, which built in small numbers. Ok, you offer you 15-20$, but how many customers will buy it worldwide? How many customer will buy the Cr.42 rather than any jankee or jerry favorite types. Maybe the italian and hungarian pilots Unique Locations is the same.

I dont like the DLC systems, maybe my mistake, or bad experience, but I think the DLC is only cash machine.

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Ok, i understand this, but I doubt the DLC system ever introduced, the devs will develop unique aircrafts, which built in small numbers. Ok, you offer you 15-20$, but how many customers will buy it worldwide? How many customer will buy the Cr.42 rather than any jankee or jerry favorite types. Maybe the italian and hungarian pilots Unique Locations is the same.

I dont like the DLC systems, maybe my mistake, or bad experience, but I think the DLC is only cash machine.

First off, I'm not saying that DLC should be the only way forward, I merely want it as a compliment to bigger expansions/sequels. The RoF is doing DLC 100% and they are still alive and kicking, MG could continue to do their thing and sell expansions/sequels but also offer DLC in-between. I doubt we will see many freebie planes in free patches this time around anyway, as pointed out it is too time consuming (=expensive) to just give away free flyables. It's not like in IL-2 times anymore.

DLC is a bad thing if let's say you are selling content that is already in the game and will be unlocked after you pay a fee and receive an activation code for said feature or item, that's a bad example. If the devs could allocate a couple of modelers for full time DLC work, we would see new flyables drop out maybe a few times/year or more. Sometimes all that is needed is the cockpit of an already existent plane and it takes time I know but by now they surely have some framework/standard procedures that they are working from to minimize development time of said cockpit don't you think?

Also smaller stuff, a new outfit for the pilot models for a few €, ok I'll buy that, minimal development cost and many will likely buy it. I'm all for DLC if it is handled properly, don't get me wrong there are many bad examples out there.

P.S I'm also doubting that DLC will ever be available for the new IL-2 series but if it will, I'll be the first chump in line...oh! wait let me re-phrase that. I will be the second chump in line right behind Tavingon with a fist full of €.
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First off, I'm not saying that DLC should be the only way forward, I merely want it as a compliment to bigger expansions/sequels. The RoF is doing DLC 100% and they are still alive and kicking, MG could continue to do their thing and sell expansions/sequels but also offer DLC in-between. I doubt we will see many freebie planes in free patches this time around anyway, as pointed out it is too time consuming (=expensive) to just give away free flyables. It's not like in IL-2 times anymore.

DLC is a bad thing if let's say you are selling content that is already in the game and will be unlocked after you pay a fee and receive an activation code for said feature or item, that's a bad example. If the devs could allocate a couple of modelers for full time DLC work, we would see new flyables drop out maybe a few times/year or more. Sometimes all that is needed is the cockpit of an already existent plane and it takes time I know but by now they surely have some framework/standard procedures that they are working from to minimize development time of said cockpit don't you think?

Also smaller stuff, a new outfit for the pilot models for a few €, ok I'll buy that, minimal development cost and many will likely buy it. I'm all for DLC if it is handled properly, don't get me wrong there are many bad examples out there.

P.S I'm also doubting that DLC will ever be available for the new IL-2 series but if it will, I'll be the first chump in line with a fist full of €.
I agree, a small team who could generate a modest, steady income and lots of joy for gamers.. if you dont want to buy it you dont have to.. it will just be bonus planes for new big theatres say
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