Allied Versus Russian Aircraft During WWII

[Volksieg]

[Rumcajs]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

.. Still the Mig3 could have been improved...

You are right. At the end of WWII there were first pieces of Mig 13 available. They had problems and got canceled but still check their parameters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_I-250 .

BTW both sides the Russians as well as the western allies had plans to continue the war. Stalin refused with words "And who would feed them? (he meant the west Europe citizens)". The red army generals were pretty confident they could see the Atlantic ocean in weeks.

On the other hand it's true the war was lost to Stalin. Large part of Europe was left under his dictation. That's why WWII didn't end in 1945 but rather 50 years later.

Search youtube for "Blood upon the snow". It's a series of 10 parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hilY...feature=relmfu

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Rumcajs

BTW both sides the Russians as well as the western allies had plans to continue the war. Stalin refused with words "And who would feed them? (he meant the west Europe citizens)". The red army generals were pretty confident they could see the Atlantic ocean in weeks.

On the other hand it's true the war was lost to Stalin. Large part of Europe was left under his dictation. That's why WWII didn't end in 1945 but rather 50 years later.

Sadly it's all part of the human condition I think.

Yesterday's allies are tomorrow's enemies and all the photos of handshakes, smiles and pats on the back are, generally, just that.... photo opportunities and propaganda to keep the folks back home smiling.

I can't remember the source (I believe it was one of the MI5 directors) but I read an interview many years ago in which it was stated that, during the Cold War, our intelligence agencies spent more time scuppering the plans of American, French and West German spy networks in Great Britain than they did chasing Russian secret agents around.

In war, and politics, there are no friends.... only convenient deals.

[rga]

Russian ground forces would dominate the battlefield and capture all continental Europe in perhaps 2 years. They were master of blitzkrieg. Remember the Operation Bagration , where the whole German center group was crushed in matter of months if not weeks, or the same fate of the unscarthed Japanese Manchurian Army. Allied airpower was impressive, but they lacked a specialized anti-tank aircraft. In Korea, US Army found themselves in trouble even with a handful of North Korean T-34.
Strategic bombing was the best weapon the Allied had in the war. It wouldn't work due to the huge range to Moscow and Leningrad. And if something goes bad, the Russian can still spam an armada of copied Me-262. They have enough materials and pilots for this.
Sorry guys but I think right after WWII, the Western Allied was completely unprepared for a new conflict with Stalin.

[Fredfetish]

Well, then there is also the issue of logistics and whether the Soviets would have been able to sustained their efforts. Both however would have long supply lines to contend with.

What does the stats show in terms of plane types and numbers? Also, 1/2 the armed forces of the US was deployed in the pacific (me thinks) at that time.

What if a Japanese conditional surrender was accepted (after hostilities between the Soviets and Western Allies commenced). The whole pacific fleet could have been deployed to Russia's ...erm... eastern border. Would China have joined in with the Russians? How many infantrymen would/could they have fielded combined?

Anyway, I don't think the tactical impact of the US/UK bombers should be dismissed too easily in regards to what involvement they could play on a moving battlefront. Take the Arden for instance after the weather cleared.

Anyway, keep the comments coming. Yak vs Mustang, would these have been the air supremacy fighters of both sides and how would they stack up against each other? Maybe Tempests as well....
Sherman vs T34?

[SiThSpAwN]

Just throwing this out here, if the war had continued, would we have seen another A-Bomb drop... hmmm. Now there is some thinking material...

[Rumcajs]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

Just throwing this out here, if the war had continued, would we have seen another A-Bomb drop... hmmm. Now there is some thinking material...

And weren't the bombs US dropped over Japan made in Germany? As far as i know the nuclear program was a disaster without results before the war ended and suddenly they had two bombs. One of them had the shape of the conventional German bomb just larger.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by SiThSpAwN

Just throwing this out here, if the war had continued, would we have seen another A-Bomb drop... hmmm. Now there is some thinking material...

Undoubtedly! After the "success" it had in Japan, I doubt the US would have been able to help themselves.

Another interesting permutation is if Hitler was assassinated/deposed and the Nazis joined the allies in a war against Communism.......

WW2 is fascinating because its history is filled to the brim with possible outcomes, different routes that could have been taken...etc... most of the things we take for granted now about that particular period in history was little more than a series of bizarre accidents at the time.... with far reaching consequences.

[Volksieg]

Originally Posted by Rumcajs

And weren't the bombs US dropped over Japan made in Germany?

There are some compelling arguments that back that belief. It is agreed by many now that the uranium(?) they used in the bombs were taken from a captured U boat. There are some who believe that the Germans had actually used nuclear weapons of some description on the Eastern front also.....

None of this will ever be proven either way, of course, until the secrecy is lifted on all the files and that ain't happening for some time.

[Rumcajs]

Well this leads me to the idea of a nuclear war simulator. Imagine you are in a bunker dug 100m bellow surface and pressing the "I Win" button. We shall ask Luthier to bring this to the sequel after they have Battle of Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk and Berlin finished.