Community Preference Initiative

[mxmadman]

Bliss I don't believe you actually read anything, so ill ask you to stop cluttering my thread.

I do not have a problem spotting the dots.

That's not why I made the thread. I made the thread to show people that populating one of these servers is good for the health of the game as well as to gather the people to actually populate one.

I do not go to your site and bash you for liking the settings the way you like them, and as I've stated atleast 3 times in this thread - I LIKE ATAG. I LIKE IT EXACTLY THE WAY IT IS AND INTEND TO CONTINUE PLAYING THERE ON OCCASION. I ALSO ENJOY PLAYING WITH CERTAIN SETTINGS DISABLED.

Now, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to understand that. There's nothing wrong with having TWO populated servers, its not like I'm telling you that you have to come along.

Edit: also, other sims do cater to this particular thing - in the exact same way that clod does. Same options, and more people choose to play with the settings I'm endorsing here. Some have literally the same names for the same settings!

[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by recoilfx

MajorBorris, this is for more of the people who don't have the time to fly a few full sorties and just want to get into some quick dog fights.

I personally don't like labels, but I realize that I currently don't have kids or after-work commitments so if mxmadman wants to organize quick dog fights - it would actually be good for the community.

Though like I said before, having smaller maps and more defined front lines will solve the lack of engagements part.

There are servers that specialize in this for them.

On the channel map now you can get instant action.

You know where the enemy bases are just loiter around and let them see you.

I like it to be as real as I read in the books I am reading. Not a quarters arcade machine at a store.

[ATAG_Bliss]

The Monologue: (Optional)
Let me explain where I'm coming from: I've just finished work. I'm sittin' here enjoying an adult beverage and thinking about what I want to do in Clod but can't. I have just a short amount of time to play (today I do, but not always), and I'd like to jump in multiplayer and have some fun before I log off to do other things.

But when I jump into the ATAG server, I end up flying around almost aimlessly chasing around 'Yun'ku's 88!' or the more popular, "...got a guy out of in front of me here.. somewhere" from a helpful teammate on TS3.

I do this for a long while. I normally end up running out of fuel, and/or being so devastated by flack, that I must return home. Sometimes, I fail to even spot the notorious "Yun'kuh" or the even more illusive 'random unidentified guy in an unidentified location', let alone get a good fight out of him.

If I do manage to get in a fight I have to immediately dive below him, if I'm not already. Is this a great tactical move? Not even close! I have to dive below because I can't keep him in sight if he's against any background other than sky.

Then I get frustrated and, generally, fire up another sim. This isn't a knock on the game, and it's not an insult to the ATAG server. I love the ATAG server preferences on occasion when I have a lot of time to burn and I'm feeling rather patient.

Which brings me to my real point: we need more variety in the multiplayer choices. To be more specific, the variety is already there, we just need people to populate the servers.

I read quite well - thank you. Perhaps you should go back and read what you wrote. The stuff in bold - the problems you were having. That's what I'm responding to. Perhaps you can calm your temper a bit and realize that I never took a jab at the way you fly, the settings you prefer, or any of the above. I only offered help, not only in finding more players, but in making it easier to track planes.

Maybe next time you'll say what you really mean in your thread starting post.

Also, attacking people trying to help you is really good form.

[Chivas]

At the moment the sim isn't stable enough, has low fps, and missing or unworking features which widdles down the amount of flyers considerably. Once the performance patch is released, major features improved, improvments to mission building, and documentation to make mission building easier, then we will see a huge increase in servers with a quite a few different difficulty settings for most people to enjoy. That said the basic mission building is quite easy, but there is documentation needed and tools to make more compicated missions with triggers easier for the masses to create.

Its just that the majority of those building servers and playing at the moment just happen enjoy more difficult view settings. Maybe its just the more dedicated combat flight simmers know that you need very strong systems to run complex sims well. The server dynamics will soon change when simmers with average systems can run the sim well.

[mxmadman]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I read quite well - thank you. Perhaps you should go back and read what you wrote. The stuff in bold - the problems you were having. That's what I'm responding to. Perhaps you can calm your temper a bit and realize that I never took a jab at the way you fly, the settings you prefer, or any of the above. I only offered help, not only in finding more players, but in making it easier to track planes.

Maybe next time you'll say what you really mean in your thread starting post.

Also, attacking people trying to help you is really good form.

Did you skip the rest of the post where I posted exactly what I was asking for, and none of them involved your alleged help in tracking enemies?

Correct answer: I did not ask for help in tracking enemies.

Telling me to go to another game is not helpful, and in fact it hurts the community every time someone even says it, because more than likely someone with the same tastes will read that one day, and now you've lost a potential customer, and atleast 2 multiplayer combatants that could have eventually populated your server.

Try to stay on topic, which is server option preferences, and ideas on populating multiple servers to get people to actually log in when they go to Client search instead of just seeing ATAG as the only populated server and then logging off.

I said exactly what I meant in my forum post, you only quoted and remembered what you chose to.

I think I'll take your advice on creating a thread intended only to get people to join me in Sim-Outhouse. I'm logging in now =D

[mxmadman]

Originally Posted by Chivas

At the moment the sim isn't stable enough, has low fps, and missing or unworking features which widdles down the amount of flyers considerably. Once the performance patch is released, major features improved, improvments to mission building, and documentation to make mission building easier, then we will see a huge increase in servers with a quite a few different difficulty settings for most people to enjoy. That said the basic mission building is quite easy, but there is documentation needed and tools to make more compicated missions with triggers easier for the masses to create.

Its just that the majority of those building servers and playing at the moment just happen enjoy more difficult view settings. Maybe its just the more dedicated combat flight simmers know that you need very strong systems to run complex sims well. The server dynamics will soon change when simmers with average systems can run the sim well.

That may be true, but there are already servers with the settings I've mentioned - specifically Sim-Outhouse being the one with the best ping at my location. I invite you to join me if you enjoy similar settings, and if not then enjoy whatever it is you end up doing instead.

[ATAG_Bliss]

I read the rest of it, of course. And the rest of it were in direct correlation of the beginning portion. "To summarize - you basically said this is what happens when you log into our server and therefore I don't have any fun. Who wants to play with this type of settings?"

Unless I didn't learn anything at all in my 6 years of post education, that looks just like a cause an effect post to me. In other words you basically gave the reason why you don't like the settings/server and would rather have a quick blast type atmosphere.

About the other sims, did you happen to read either my or Chivas response to that????... Where we both said that the game needs to be fixed first and only the most hardcore of sim fans are playing it right now because of all the glaring issues. I'd love to see every single server in the game at max capacity and I think it will get there some day. But if you think it's going to happen at this very instant, you're sadly mistaken.

As I said earlier, other people will come when the game matures.

[mxmadman]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss

I read the rest of it, of course. And the rest of it were in direct correlation of the beginning portion. "To summarize - you basically said this is what happens when you log into our server and therefore I don't have any fun. Who wants to play with this type of settings?"

Unless I didn't learn anything at all in my 6 years of post education, that looks just like a cause an effect post to me. In other words you basically gave the reason why you don't like the settings/server and would rather have a quick blast type atmosphere.

About the other sims, did you happen to read either my or Chivas response to that????... Where we both said that the game needs to be fixed first and only the most hardcore of sim fans are playing it right now because of all the glaring issues. I'd love to see every single server in the game at max capacity and I think it will get there some day. But if you think it's going to happen at this very instant, you're sadly mistaken.

As I said earlier, other people will come when the game matures.

You don't need any post education when the first sentence says "this is where I'm coming from". I told you flat out that it was cause and effect. The cause is a difference in preference, the effect is me trying to gather folks who have the same preference. That's where the 6 years of post education should have come in handy.

If you want to see populated servers, stop telling people to leave.

At any rate, I'm currently sitting in hoping my labor has paid off. I invite anyone who wants some action to come join me.

Edit: Also, I'm thoroughly enjoying CloD in it's current state. I enjoy CEM and temperature management. Am I one of the most hardcore sim fans you know? I think that might be a contradiction to you also saying "other less serious sims" might cater to me more...

[ATAG_Dutch]

I'm just hoping that mxmadman isn't someone I know. And respect.

[ATAG_Bliss]

Originally Posted by mxmadman

You don't need any post education when the first sentence says "this is where I'm coming from". I told you verbatim that it was cause and effect. The cause is a difference in preference, the effect is me trying to gather folks who have the same preference. That's where the 6 years of post education should have come in handy.

If you want to see populated servers, stop telling people to leave.

At any rate, I'm currently sitting in Sim-Outhouse hoping my labor has paid off. I invite anyone who wants some action to come join me.

Edit: Also, I'm thoroughly enjoying CloD in it's current state. I enjoy CEM and temperature management. Am I one of the most hardcore sim fans you know? I think that might be a contradiction to you also saying "other less serious sims" might cater to me more...

Good deal. Now that you have an understanding on that aspect. Maybe then you can see why others that don't have the problems you are having chime in trying to help you out? Once you understand that, you'll might have an understanding of why I was trying to help you out.