The Crystal Ball 2

[priller26]

Well, I'm off Monday to Vienna for 10 days of fun good food and friends. Time to disconnect from the Internet and the Forum. When its done, its done, and if it's never finished, well, just another small pebble along the road of life which doesn't really matter a lot in the scheme of things. Go out and enjoy the "Real World". If that still doesn't work, take a Xanex, chill, and get some perspective. Dive the boat in SH5, which is AWESOME and I've been playing more and more!

[Sammi79]

This forum is getting funnier by the second.

'Oh no, it's the opinion police!' priceless.

'Carry on with your meltdown.' even better.

@Dano - that really depends on wether or not you care if people understand you or not.

I expect some folks are going to feel a bit silly in the end either way -
Patch & expansion released and is good... or,
funding withdrawn and get left with what you've got right now... (a la SH5)

And all those temper typing tantrums achieved exactly what?

Pure comedy.

Cheers! Sam.

[Dano]

Beats me as to why anybody who thinks it's a travesty would want to play it at all.

Sammi, it's just meant to highlight the issues surrounding written english let alone translated english, not a dig at anybody.

[mazex]

Of course I will buy BoM and whatever they release in the future, just as I buy all flight sims that get released to support our small niche.

It just hurts so much seeing them handling business as bad as they do. They do have a bunch of supporters that are right now at the end of their patience. I don't know how many times I've been accused of being a fan boy, but now I've had enough too...

They have blown their reputation with all the major reviewers out there after the Clod release and to annoy the community by the current half year delay in getting a patch fixing the memory leak in mp is getting ridiculous...

One thing is very sure. They have serious IT-project management problems. The ones denying that surely have a strong belief in transparent imperial clothing...

Continous integration anyone? The rest of the IT development world has done that for a decade now... Look at project C.A.R.S. A release that works every week...

/mazex

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Your optimism is too shy. I am sure I have a better explanation for the lack of update: the beta patch is so good that the team is too busy playing with CloD to bother posting updates.

B6: "ahemm, Ilya, sorry to interrupt you, did you prepare the usual Friday update babble?"
Ilya: "Shut up, this time I'll get that pesky 109!"

Best post !


Regarding the "comunity" and how 1C team shld be carrefull with it I wld remind you tht in no way anyone of the 200 names (including myself) that are posting here regulary shld feel himself representative of the majority of the CoD's players.

This forum is only a "niche" of the vast array of opinions players might hve.

Acting with modesty is alway the first step to conduct constructive critics.

Let them do what they hve to. Be patient and accuntable.

[GF_Mastiff]

the community will never reach a breaking point
this game has been around for more then 10 years
and I'm sure it will have another 20 years to go.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Dano

Beats me as to why anybody who thinks it's a travesty would want to play it at all.

Sammi, it's just meant to highlight the issues surrounding written english let alone translated english, not a dig at anybody.

ahh sorry bud, indeed how easy it is to misunderstand even in plain English. I just nearly wet myself reading through some of todays posts. The mirth...

Regards, Sam.

[Tavingon]

I'm speechless, logged in today ready to lap up a saucer of treatiness but found myself gazing into a pool of reflection..

Course I will buy whatever is realeased but can't say I'm a little bit rocked and rolled by today's blank newspaper

[6S.Manu]

Please excuse me if I'm multiquoting (can i use this word? ).

Originally Posted by Robert

Let's be honest here. You know as well as I do that if the developers are the least bit open, there will be the same contingent of forumites who will ride them like an old horse. Frankly there was a topic posted last week by one of our members that I think put them over the edge. There's no respect from certain people, and it has caused every one to suffer.

We are so many in this board: it's a community and like in every community you can meet the black sheep. Penalizing all the board because of a pair of fools is acting like a child ("the ball is mine and I'm going home!")
The real offenders are clowns... still the other guys need to not be so touchy (B6's episode... probably caused by the language barrier).

Originally Posted by Robert

I get that we're paying customers. I understand the frustration of not having something in working order. What I don't understand is how some could behave so poorly.... and then whine about it as if they have no bearing on why things are the way they are.

But we HAVE no bearing on it.

Originally Posted by Robert

Some have complained about the updates regarding BoM as smoke and mirrors, when in reality it's proof that further development of the series is assured, AND that the product isn't abandoned. The developers aren't stupid. They know the lacks.

I'm not telling they are stupid. But this was sold as the definitive combat flight simulator, developed by a really small team. I can tell that the development of an engine is by far more difficult than model 3D objects... and now we have lacking engines (graphic, FM, probably DM too, since we have not a test tool about it... a thing that the developers should have to debug the application but are not publishing...) but so many beautiful 3D object (still not used)!

Wasn't better 2y programmers and y modellers instead of y programmers and 2y modellers?
You model a single plane and you build the engine around that (how is IL2 born?)... you don't model ships, tanks, bycicles and cow and leave the engine broken.

I'm quite sure that they are working on tanks to profit from all that, IMO useless, 3D work...

Originally Posted by Robert

1C isn't without culpability, but we as forum members should look at our own behaviour too. If some of the folks here went on and on out side a resturant because of poor food, (like they do here) they'd be arrested for harrassment. Some have likened the release of this game to a $50,000 auto mobile. I invite you to try some of the shennanigans there as you do here.

Eh? This is all 1C's fault... You have no one going out and talking crap about 1C... this is 1C's board.. it should be almost their counter.
And of course the car example is a little forced... if it really was about a $50k car you don't wait a year to get angry, you call your lawyer the same the day.

Originally Posted by Robert

We're all in the same boat waiting for this product to be what we all hoped it would be, but some folk's behaviour warrants the black out. No one is any more disappointed than the other forumite. Yet there are some who think they are doing good by being pretentious children. But then again, a child never does grasp the ramifications of their childish behaviour.

Imo instead there are people more disappointed that other... you know I shudder at some posters' comments during the updates. I know how it works on forums: a little part of fanboys, the same of haters and the majority of objective guys. Fanboys will never be disappointed, the haters will always have something to say but the rest's opinion depends on the product.. and since there is no product it depends on news... what news?

Originally Posted by Robert

Regarding BoM? I'll wait to see whether improvements are executed before making a final decision. Making false threats of not purchasing because my feelings may be hurt because of the lack of updates is fool-hearty, IMO.

Bad management... you buy the game at the release and you're paying 5 times the current price WITHOUT any benefit (some guys even spent money to upgrade they rigs... you're MAD!), differently from any other product out there... "preorder" is based on trust since you pay without receiving anything but they award you for that... I'll buy it when it will cost 10$, like the guys who are mocking me right now about CloD.

Anyway I'm a VG addicted: I buy anythig but I don't have time to play (I'm a moron I know)... I was to buy Real Warfare 2 but I didn't confirm the order when I saw the publisher.
Also because if you scroll on the 1C's gamelist you find RO2... another failure.

Originally Posted by Robert

We're a small community. I've seen the same names from other forums for ten years. Others have changed names but can be recognisesd. 1C is small too. It's the relative size of both that permitts the intimacy and good communication we grew used to. I also think that's one of the reasons it's easy to take some of this personally. (Jusy my opinion.)

Of course we are old friends, we share the same hobby and you're completly right about taking this personally. We know we are important for MG and I can't believe they are treating us in this way. I'm angry because of that.

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by robtek

I am pretty shure that everybody saying he/she/it wont buy the sequel, or anything from 1c/MG, is either a troll, not doing any wwii combat-flightsimming anyway, or used to lie to himself!

Everyone doing combat-flight simming is probably playing 1946.