The Crystal Ball 2

[Duke88]

Originally Posted by 6S.Manu

Me and many others will not buy the sim at release.

+1
i'm with you...

[ATAG_MajorBorris]

Originally Posted by Force10

Yeah...but when was IL-2 playable? Pretty much from the start. Don't care about finished as much as it being playable.

thats bull, go buy a p4 1.8 cpu with 512 sys mem and a 4600 ti gpu(top of the line 8 months after release) and tell me if you get more then 30 fps on high settings with il2 sturmovik out of the box.

[Chivas]

Originally Posted by Force10

Wow Chivas. Not sure where you went to business school, but it might be time for refresher course. Your saying that having 70% of your customers annoyed and questioning the quality of your product doesn't matter? I would guess that BOM will have 75% less pre-orders than COD had. Not a good business strategy if you ask me. With the shameful release of COD the best thing to do is damage control. The way you do that is good customer relations. What do we get? Luthier thinks we should be grateful that he is supporting the sim 7 months after release. Huh? They need to remember, we rely on them for a fun hobby, they rely on us to get a paycheck. See the difference of importance there?

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product. There is no doubt there are alot of unhappy people and they will wait to see how the next product turns out before buying. What we say or the developers say in the mean time will have very little effect on sales. You don't need to like the manufacturer to buy their product if the product is good, and there is no competition. Even the haters, are still here posting, and waiting, and most will buy if the product if its good. If they fail they fail, and the forum will soon fade away, with a few haters still here saying I told you so to no one.

[6S.Tamat]

Originally Posted by Insuber

Manu I will send you a copy as gift ...

prepare your bank account because i Think that the one of manu will be the politic of almost all our wing

[von Brühl]

Originally Posted by MajorBoris

I bet the best thing they could do for "business" is shut these forums down as this is the what they have become, persistant drival that does nothing to further the genre or hobby.

Question; Do you forum more than fly as well?

I get far better performance in the forums, no stutters, no CTDs.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Considering some of Luthier's and BlackSix's posts, I'm quite sure that the devs are just as annoyed with the community as some in the community are with them.

I'm sure that's true. It is really unfortunate and sad that it has got to this stage. Unfortunately, it seems that they are unable to get the community onside for any length of time.

Getting BlackSix in to liaise with us was a great idea, but to make it work Luthier has to be prepared to release information for him to supply to us. To put BlackSix in place to 'communicate' with us and then not give him the authority to tell us anything is monumentally self-defeating.

Maybe it's a Russian thing? I don't know. Information about the patch has been guarded as if it was highly important state secrets. It's not the delay in releasing the patch that is annoying people, it's the absence of ANY meaningful information. People can put up with being stone-walled for so long, but eventually they start to get annoyed. That unfortunately is what has happened here.

And why can they not give some measured info? I mean, really?!?! They keep creating needless crises through sheer stubbornness it seems. (I'm well aware that there are people on the forums who could try the patience of a saint, but the devs stubbornness is pushing many of us in the centre-ground in the same direction)

Originally Posted by Chivas

This next patch is critical, to the sims survival, it needs a considerable performance boost to allow integration of all the missing resource hungry features.

Agreed. Fingers crossed it does the job.

[Fjordmonkey]

The main problem is that they're damned if they do, and damned if they don't. If they don't release info, they have today's situation: A buttload of bitching, whining and ranting on the boards.

But when they DO release info, it's more of the same since people's pet problem/issue isn't on the list.

Until people learn patience, this will go on. And sadly, I don't think people are able to learn patience.

[DroopSnoot]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product. There is no doubt there are alot of unhappy people and they will wait to see how the next product turns out before buying. What we say or the developers say in the mean time will have very little effect on sales. You don't need to like the manufacturer to buy their product if the product is good, and there is no competition. Even the haters, are still here posting, and waiting, and most will buy if the product if its good. If they fail they fail, and the forum will soon fade away, with a few haters still here saying I told you so to no one.

Sadly mate I can for the first time part of me can see this as a very real possiblity, this forum is the tip of the iceburg. Sukhoi is just as bad and there's no loss of translation there.
The net is full of terrible reviews as well as some good of course, youtube is crammed with jokes, rants, people destroying their games infront of their cameras and so on.
Now, I'm sure this happens to every game to a degree because you cant please all the people all the time, but I'm getting a very real sense that the people who are negative for cliffs is growing and growing, a simulator being a relatively small neiche market compared to FPS or RPG etc surely will suffer.
If sales dont go as hoped for BoM how can they afford to continue to improve and work on the game.

To not consider this would be business suicide, so they'll have a plan in place to counter act this from happening.

[David Hayward]

Originally Posted by DroopSnoot

lol we've had a lot of translation issues over the year right david.

Some people have them every time there is a post by the dev team.

[Icebear]

Originally Posted by Chivas

Preorders are no longer a factor, they've already sold enough of the first product.

Any reliable source for this asstertion? I decided to uninstall IL2 Cliffs of Dover on march 31st and forget about it. As a matter of fact the sequel will never reach my system.