MW50 -Secondary effects were cooling of the engine .

[rga]

One should not forget that engine duration is as much important for pilots as performance. In real life, using emergency boost seriously shortened the engine life expectancy and is sometimes even fatal for the next sorties (e.g. engine seizes during the take off in the next flight). That's why real life pilots flew much more carefully than us now. I doubt that pilots will engage MW-50 in every encounters.
In game, there is no system for engine abuse punishment, so everyone will happily engage MW-50 as long as the engine can still endure. It's highly unrealistic. Some compormises would have to be made here. Either one leaves the MW-50 as it should be and relies on gamer's faithfulness of realism, or one porks MW-50. Both solutions are equally reasonable, none is perfect.

[Mustang]

Some pilos has a few hours of flight.


If luftawaffe recommended 10 minutes for MW50 , 5 minutes stop, and 10 minutes more for MW50.

In that situation, I empty the tank MW50, especially fighting in proportion 6 to 1 or 10 to 1

Looking at the numbers for manufacturing of the BF 109.

The last years of the war had more BF 109, than pilots to fly them.

I think the pilot's life and win the match, was the point at that time.

Especially if you faced the Mustangs, they were vastly superior.
You will always need the MW50, in that duel.

[HundertneunGustav]

so, what you mean is this:
**** ze engine, i want to survaif!!

if you think like that (yea, i can do to the engine what ever i want)

then be consequent, and accept that if you respawn your engine might die,
just as you are being attacked by planes that have stars and bars on them.
because you played "greenhorn pilot" and "ignore manual" last time.

you will be shot down either way.

[Mustang]

@HundertneunGustav, Thanks
If I have very few pilots, and many buided BF 109, the pilots must keep alive, at any way.

@Fruitbat

The mw50 not won the war
The war was won by the heroic Russian people.
With 22 million heroes, fallen for their motherland.
His courage won the war!



New point.
My point IS MW 50 is good for the engine. and have coolin efect.


My las credit in this forum.... maybe

and as the mixture absorbs heat and vaporizes,
temperatures inside the cylinder are reduced= cooling

2) Can water/meth injection damage my engine?
With most aftermarket parts there's always the possibility of damage, but not if the unit is installed and used properly. As long as the injection system is working properly, it can only do good things. Since the water and methanol will help dissolve carbon buildup, it can keep your spark plugs, valves, and combustion chambers very clean, too.

Read more: http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp...#ixzz1ownDQALK


3) Can you run just water injection without methanol?
Yes, but you will not be able to take advantage of the octane-boosting properties of methanol, thus you will get cooling from the water, but no increase in octane.
Without methanol, you may not make as much power.

Read more: http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp...#ixzz1owmmuqxK

= cooling

I try not to use capital letters for ... but is very dificult
Point 2) and 3) "it can only do good things" ..."thus you will get cooling from the water"

Read more:

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/impp...n/viewall.html


Ok.
All can close the eyes ??
As usual , no common sense???

I think not.

[HundertneunGustav]

you are trying hard, so
+1 credit for that


yet, a lot of questions remain un-answered.
i know nothing of either cars nor plane engines, so i can only advise to be careful.

a) the system you present is a modern one - differences between modern W/M injection systems and technology from 1942 should, must be studied before claiming "the effect is the same - it cools the engine"

b) are the fluids used chemically the same?

c) how did pilots operate the system? what were their experiences, advantages and drawbacks, dangers?

d) okay, so... lets take it easy. lets say, the engine is cooled. The Db-60x series are a big piece of machinery, so , more specific questions must be figured out.
-what exact part(s) of the engine will lose temperature?
-how much?
-what does that change to engine operation, and how is power output effected?

Because:
uuhhh, ahhhh, modern systems cool the engine, so, in a 109 that means i get -35° temperature loss, and that again means i can have longer MW50 operation...

--> not commonsense, simplification.
and simplification can not be our common goal, or we would be playing Ace combat.
--> common sense is to preserve your engine, because your life depends on it.
--> not closed eyes, no! eyes wide open, and very critical, analytic, observing, asking questions.

Every time you start a flight, you get a perfectly new plane - right? systems are 100% healthy. There is no option to "use the plane from the last flight" - the game does not remember if you respected the manual last time you flew it. if you used MW50 for too long (7 seconds? 2 seconds?) or if you respected the 5 minutes pause (4:55?)

So, by
- misinterpreting engine and boost systems facts,
- and engine manual, and OKL recommendations,
- and 2x10 with 5 min pause could be possibly maybe correct(?)

-> and then getting a new plane for the next flight... that... is cheating.

Recently, TD has taught us to respect the engine, the Hardware:
you pull too many G- you die
you push too many G - you die
you play with the Throttles like a maniac: you die

basically:
You push your plane to the very extreme corner of its possibilities: you die.
Do not do that, or you will die.

so even IF this system could possibly improve performance of the Db-60X powered planes...
you die.

And NOT DYING... is common sense.

[Mustang]

a) the system you present is a modern one - differences between modern W/M injection systems and technology from 1942 should, must be studied before claiming "the effect is the same - it cools the engine"

Water cools the engine in present and in 1942 .
Read my link
You can buy and put Water/ Methanol kit in any engine virtually, with the same results .

b) are the fluids used chemically the same?
"

Yes common wather and common methanol
No secrets here.

d) okay, so... lets take it easy. lets say, the engine is cooled. The Db-60x series are a big piece of machinery, so , more specific questions must be figured out.
-what exact part(s) of the engine will lose temperature?
-how much?
-what does that change to engine operation, and how is power output effected?

The P51 have many problems like this

C.C. Jordan=

I have data that indicates that the
P-51D, measures 48 lbs in a 3g pull. Up to 86 Lbs at
5g's.
The P-47D, OTOH, requires just 16 lbs at 3g and 27 lbs at 5g's.
The testers state that the Mustang was a true "two hander".

Just do something.
If special ignore other things

Thanks to these omissions
My P51 can be turn with the BF 109


Ok forget Mustang Sorry

Because:
uuhhh, ahhhh, modern systems cool the engine, so, in a 109 that means i get -35° temperature loss, and that again means i can have longer MW50 operation...

The luftwaffe tell you. The mw 50 not work over 6000 mts, for system freezes.

Every time you start a flight, you get a perfectly new plane - right? systems are 100% healthy. There is no option to "use the plane from the last flight" - the game does not remember if you respected the manual last time you flew it. if you used MW50 for too long (7 seconds? 2 seconds?) or if you respected the 5 minutes pause (4:55?)

Like the others planes have the same.

For MW50.
"it can only do good things. Since the water and methanol will help dissolve carbon buildup, it can keep your spark plugs, valves, and combustion chambers very clean, too!."

basically:
You push your plane to the very extreme corner of its possibilities: you die.
Do not do that, or you will die.

so even IF this system could possibly improve performance of the Db-60X powered planes...
you die.

And NOT DYING... is common sense.

I'll just say one thing

Are debunking current evidence
Of and operates water methanol.

Is a Fact

[Mustang]

Please We continue here.

http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...t=30181&page=4



Close this please

[fruitbat]

Originally Posted by Mustang

Especially if you faced the Mustangs, they were vastly superior.
You will always need the MW50, in that duel.

Of course, they had 50's......... and we all know that 50's won teh war........