Bomber boys - bbc one

[arthursmedley]

I love you Dkoor.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Harris' policy.

You really are just far too wilfully dense to grasp the fact that it wasn't.

'The Area Bombing Directive was a directive from the wartime British Government's Air Ministry to the Royal Air Force which ordered RAF bombers to attack the German industrial workforce and the morale of the German populace through bombing German cities and their civilian inhabitants.'

The 'Wartime British Government' was headed by Churchill. Do you get that bit yet?

Here's the link to your own favourite source (apart from the odd bonus dvd you have lying around).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_Bombing_Directive

[Kongo-Otto]

I dont understand the whole discussion in this Thread.

Just a few thoughts by me:
1. If there are people who want to have a statue of Air Chief Marshal Harris, then why not.
Major point for a Harris memorial imho is the rememberence of the Men of Bomber Command, most of them ripped out of their daily lives and put into a bomber fighting a war they didnt had any responsibility for. Its a memorial for those who never came back and for those who survived. Also a point for a Harris Memorial is: make sure that such things never happen again, make sure that no one raises such power again to ignite the world regardless from where he is!
So if you ask me, build a Memorial for Harris and build a big one!
Thats it, as simple as that.

2. To my German Friend in this Thread.
There is a German saying "Wer austeilt muss auch einstecken können" which means "If you dish it out you have to be able to take it"

Nowadays many say "it was the Nazis who started the war" yes thats true, but the Germans fought it out. Sure there have been many in Germany who resisted the Nazis some of them did that at all cost. But there were not many enough. But all the others which said nothing and just stood by, have the same responsibility as the Nazis have for all the things that came!
If some Germans today are blaming Bomber Command for Dresden, Cologne and Hamburg they are surely blaming the wrong ones!
Again its as simple as that!

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Kongo-Otto

I dont understand the whole discussion in this Thread.
There is a German saying "Wer austeilt muss auch einstecken können" which means "If you dish it out you have to be able to take it"

Oh I so agree to this one, I even dare say it comes down to this when it is about morale finger pointing.
And no, it is not that simple, because if you go the collective guilt route then you are opening a whole can of worms, not just in regards to Germany.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

You really are just far too wilfully dense to grasp the fact that it wasn't.

'The Area Bombing Directive was a directive from the wartime British Government's Air Ministry to the Royal Air Force which ordered RAF bombers to attack the German industrial workforce and the morale of the German populace through bombing German cities and their civilian inhabitants.'

The 'Wartime British Government' was headed by Churchill. Do you get that bit yet?

Here's the link to your own favourite source (apart from the odd bonus dvd you have lying around).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_Bombing_Directive

are we getting to the school playground levels again?

Harris was a strong defender and the advocate of the area bombing, and whilst the British War Cabinet had doubts about its application (if anything for the doubts on the efficiency), he is the key figure that made it possible, and he admitted it. His nickname "butcher", which was given by his beloved airmen, wasn't just a random one.

So yes, you vouch for a man who deliberately ordered his aircrews to commit a war crime, a crime that according to your self-righteous double standards was acceptable either because they started it or because if we do it it's ok..well done there..

As for my "favourite source", it's just for the sake of practicality.. can I invite you to pay a visit to the National Archives website and look for War Cabinet discussions on area bombing? You'll see how controversial the thing was..

[bongodriver]

Oh boy Stern.....your poo just don't stink does it.....

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Oh boy Stern.....your poo just don't stink does it.....

...while yours doesn't stick buddy...

it's this kind of stubborn denial that further confirms my point: you just can't admit that just like any other country on this planet, you committed war crimes, and as that was not enough, you feel good enough about it to celebrate them as well..

[bongodriver]

I don't have time for this.....I'm late for the 'Harris day parade'.......now where did I put my union jack flat cap?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I don't have time for this.....I'm late for the 'Harris day parade'.......now where did I put my union jack flat cap?

yeah well close the door behind you when you're finished patting yourself on the shoulder, I'm outta here..

[bongodriver]

Stern is clearly the most balanced one here....he has a chip on both shoulders.