Bomber boys - bbc one

[bongodriver]

it's crazy.......do people really think we Brits go around chanting songs about this guy? and have 'National Harris day' or something.......nope, just a tiny statue tucked away in a corner (I don't even remember where)

They made Nelson Mandela a president....and he was a Terrorist (freedom fighter to the right on! brigade)....either way he killed innocent people pursuing his cause.

[ATAG_Dutch]

And next thing you know, we'll be told that we have to give the Channel Islands back to France, owing to their obvious geographical proximity.

[bongodriver]

and then well have to hand GB over too because of our proximity........oh wait..

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Really?......so a country can just invade another rightfully because the inhabitants have no right of sovereignty......interesting point of view.

The Dale farm residents were evicted because they were there 'illegally'....hence why they were evicted.......ever heard of planning permission? they should have been evicted earlier but in this over beaurocratic country things take forever to process.

it makes perfect sense, by your own logic the islands never belonged to the Spanish to give away in the first place.....they were very different times mate.

Bongo, don't twist the facts to your advantage...

There you go confusing Germans with Nazis again

[Sternjaeger II]

you just simply, stubbornly don't want to understand what we're saying. It's not the first time, nor it won't be the last, especially when it comes to question the unquestionable United Kingdom.. ironically it's this denial that does more harm than good to this wonderful country..

Anyway, I'm happy with the "agree to disagree" formula..

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you just simply, stubbornly don't want to understand what we're saying. It's not the first time, nor it won't be the last, especially when it comes to question the unquestionable United Kingdom.. ironically it's this denial that does more harm than good to this wonderful country..

Anyway, I'm happy with the "agree to disagree" formula..

What is it we are denying?

Bongo, don't twist the facts to your advantage...

Facts are facts.....where did I twist them, you said in plain english..

a land's sovereignty is not to be decided by who lives on it

I'm not stubborn, I'm just not convinced in any way by what you are saying.

I am happy to agree to disagree too, hence why I'm here disagreeing....if you promise to stop 'Brit bashing' then I promise to stop disagreeing with you....hows that?

[bongodriver]

There you go confusing Germans with Nazis again

What I meant by this is........surely there is nothing bad about using the term nazi for a form of derogation, you seem to assume that any time a phrase involving the word Nazi what is really meant is German.......this is just not the case.......no such phrase as 'Grammar German'

or are you really just trying to defend Nazis......I'm confused now

[ATAG_Dutch]

Ok chaps, here's a thought.

Hugo Sperrle was in charge of Luftflotte 3, and 'responsible' for the Nov 14th 1940 raid on Coventry.

'The raid reached such a new level of destruction that Joseph Goebbels later used the term Coventriert ("Coventrated") when describing similar levels of destruction of other enemy towns. During the raid, the Germans dropped about 500 tonnes of high explosives, including 50 parachute air-mines, of which 20 were incendiary petroleum mines, and 36,000 incendiary bombs.'

Hugo Sperrle was aquitted at Nuremburg.

Should the British campaign to have this verdict overturned?

Of course not.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by ATAG_Dutch

Ok chaps, here's a thought.

Hugo Sperrle was in charge of Luftflotte 3, and 'responsible' for the Nov 14th raid on Coventry.

'The raid reached such a new level of destruction that Joseph Goebbels later used the term Coventriert ("Coventrated") when describing similar levels of destruction of other enemy towns. During the raid, the Germans dropped about 500 tonnes of high explosives, including 50 parachute air-mines, of which 20 were incendiary petroleum mines, and 36,000 incendiary bombs.'

Hugo Sperrle was aquitted at Nuremburg.

Should the British campaign to have this verdict overturned?

Of course not.

Now just imagine Germany would start celebrating Sperrle and start building statues to his honor. Throw in some medals for the brave men that brought the war to the enemy.
That would be a bit closer to the issue at hand.

[=CfC= Father Ted]

I thought the bit where Colin MacGregor struggled to keep the DC3 straight during take off was quite interesting.