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02-11-2012, 05:08 PM
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Free speech is a right not an obligation.
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#2
02-11-2012, 06:38 PM
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" That is odd behavior for someone who considers it a waste of time huh? "
I think that Bearcat has the ability to sort of "stand on the moon" and observe from a distanced, far off neutral point the pros and the cons of something. Mods, no mods... The man might see both sides of the medal, could that be the case? choosing which side he wants depending on what he wants to do with the Program at a given time? And, is that not, sort of, wisdom? "True, even the official version of IL2 is a judgement call, but it is an official judgement call by it's creators or those given the authority to do so, it is as good or better a judgement call than any others out there, and it is the most important to rally around." Negative. IMO... negative. Over at the SAS there are a bunch of Dinosaurs ( tongue in cheek) that hold on to a 4.09 version. (with or without mods) If the official Version is "the most important one to rally around", that would at the moment be 4.11, right? so, are the 4.09 fans or the standard, 4.07 players making a mistake, are they veering off the right/official track, just like the modders do? For what ever their reasons are? are the people with 4.07/4.09 + mods even worse, even further, even farther from the official path, because they lack updates AND are screwing with the files? "The sim is modded and has been that way for at least the past 5 years, and will be that way from here on out therefore to even debate mods is a waste of time." Thats a good sentence... It leads to my question, an honest and innocent one: What exactly is the aim, the goal of this topic? Besides stating your position and opinion? Besides learning to appreciate your point of View and your arguments, i can not see how it should teach me something else. Topics like these were common, when the whole modding thing came "to the public". I have red them when... 2007? 2008? And never has anything been achieved, besides stating different opinions, and when the discussion derailed (not IF, more like WHEN - they almost always did) a moderator had to intervene. And that always sucks. 
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02-11-2012, 06:58 PM
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I went back to the first post, and picked a sentence, that i felt was the center of your opinion:
"Real IL2 aces and make do with what is given to them and fly the official patches without resorting to mods, hacks or cheats." Let me introduce you to the following. open your mind, just gimme five minutes. Look, there is "a Dude" here... let me fetch that link... here: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.ph...c,19365.0.html he did a lot of work on the P-47 Loadouts. concerning this very, very restricted topic of P-47 Loadouts, and the changes in Mission outcomes, by Bombing strafing and aerial Kills... who is closer to the absolute truth? Ammo-wise. and ONLY about Ammo. Is this re-shuffling of Information, the application of that info in the game, is that, as you say - a Cheat? Is it a Hack? I am not out to pull you to the dark side. I do not want to convince you. What i want, is to show you that not all of the modding work done is evil. If you understand what has been changed to the P-47, if you by any chance happen to agree: these changes are not official, but, they are reasonable, you might possibly understand why Bearcat can appreciate, or tolerate Mods. Because Storebror took a Thunderbolt, and spent some time to learn about the plane, and learn how to bring that Plane a bit closer to reality. Virtual reality. You do not have to agree that mods are good. But maybe you can understand that mods are not always "hacks and cheats" by intention.
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#4
02-11-2012, 06:52 PM
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WTF??!!! First off ...... I pretty much agree with much of what you have said and I have always stated as much even 3 years ago when I was still a mod at UBI. My contention has always been and will always be that it would have been best if the sim had not been hacked .. but it was ... and as I have said I will always roll with whatever is most compatible with the stock sim.. Had TD been created 4 years ago shortly after the hack, the whole mod debate could have taken a different turn... but you lost me at the end (not that it may matter to you ...) . HELLO!! I have not been a mod @ UBI for two years so get your facts straight and since that time I have not been @ UBI much. Secondly I never suppressed anything .. What was suppressed, and this after the whole argument was beaten to death, was the arguments over the pros and cons of mods that always turned into flame fests rife with insults and slander and were moot because the sim was modded. Period. I was not the one who banned you .. not that I recall anyway .. because I usually lifted bans pretty quickly and only issued them for obvious infractions .. not just disagreeing with me... I never rolled that way. Anyone I banned got banned for a reason and the fact that they may have disagreed with me on a particular subject was secondary to the reason for the ban. For you to bring that up now is mind boggling to me.. especially since as I said .. I have been a mod @ UBI for two years almost to the day. There is a better chance now for the stock sim to recapture a base that was lost to mods than at any time since this all started. So if stock is your thing is it not better to just promote that instead of complaining about something that will not change. The only thing that will change the mod situation to any substantial degree is for TD to continue to do what they are doing and incorporate as many of the features, many that were longtime requests from day one into the stock sim as long as they do not conflict legally or historically or compromise the standards of the sim set forth initially by 1C. Many of the things they have implemented have done just that. Quote:
So ....if you have an axe to grind with me then take it up in a PM from here on out... This discussion is going apace ... regardless to either your or my opinions .. it seems as if it is leaning towards not that mods are good or bad but what can make the sim better.. and we all seem to agree that making the stock sim more appealing is the answer, and that's a good thing. Last edited by Bearcat; 02-11-2012 at 07:00 PM.
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#5
02-10-2012, 08:02 PM
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02-10-2012, 08:29 PM
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[QUOTE=_1SMV_Gitano;389602]cough cough... stock 4.11...
LOL I saw that too but thought surely he must know
Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 02-10-2012 at 08:39 PM.
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02-10-2012, 08:51 PM
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Yes, but i can't choose the skin myself, that's the difference.
Would love that to be a stock feature though.......
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#8
02-10-2012, 09:32 PM
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Also You can select the skin as the default skin for the map in v4.11.
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#9
02-10-2012, 09:33 PM
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.. and guys just be absolutely clear on this .. I use mods .. I like some of them .. but IMO as I have said .. the future of this sim lies with TD and their work.. whatev4r mod pack tat makes itslef most compatible with the stock sim will be on my HD .. but the work that TD does isn ivaluable to keeping this sim alive and IMO if it were just left solely to the mod community we would have even more fracturing. The fact that there have always been dedicated stock servers on HL says a lot .. the fact that there are more now ... and that they are being utilized says even more.
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02-10-2012, 10:24 PM
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Certainly a manual skin option for static aircraft/vehicles would be preferred so we can place stuff in there with a winter/desert skin on it . Last edited by KG26_Alpha; 02-10-2012 at 10:38 PM.
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