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Originally Posted by BG-09

One Soviet pilot of I-16 was cought in very low dogfight with 2 Bf-109 E. The soviet pilot have done everything, but he cannot escape from the Bf-109 E's. I-16 was triying to escape on high speed over one lawn, with 1 Bf-109 E very close on its tail. Looking backwards, the soviet pilot hits a pile of hay on the lawn. The soviet I-16 imediately does somethig as salto with its nose downwards, stalling very strong, but still in the air. The soviet pilot is thrown from the open cannopy, falling on the lawn injured with trauma, but alive. The german pilot of Bf-109 E was not so lucky: Bf-109 E crashes in to the stalled in to the air I-16 and explodes. The german pilot dyes. Soviet troops take the injured pilot and send him in to the hosspital. Thats all I know.

Does anybody knows more details on this accident?

<---BG-09---<<<

Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

[xpzorg]

I advise you to try to read this story(maybe with google translater). It's very interesting story, pilot's fate is unknown. Сasualties in fight 10/2.
http://nnm.ru/blogs/hot_tabych/zazer...-snimka/page1/

[robtek]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

Just don't let real life interfere with your theories.

Those fighters were used as needed, to say they flew almost exclusively as BnZ is simply wrong.

What about i. e. the many bomb carrying 109's, they flew usually on the deck.

The fighters might have planned for BnZ, but then again: no plan survives the contact with the enemy.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by robtek

Just don't let real life interfere with your theories.

The fighters might have planned for BnZ, but then again: no plan survives the contact with the enemy.

+1. The first casuality in war is the battle plan.

[Jaws2002]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Only few idiots would fly BF109 like that...it was a stalker (BnZ) and was used as stalker through the war....mostly....

Those were real Bf-109 fighter pilots, not internet comandos. They flew real planes, in a real war. In war they fly how they have to in order to achieve the mission goal.
If they had to chase an I-16, on the deck, they did just that. Not all made it out of it and not all could afford to fly how they wanted.
It was a real war not a game.

[csThor]

Quite seriously: I am considering soviet war stories to be usually grossly blown out of proportion on behalf of the soviet authorities (Stalin ordered "improved" historiography after the war). Far too often this or that soviet pilot was injured/got his aircraft set on fire/whatever and still outfought so-and-so-many german fighters. I have read too many stories like this, most of them following exactly the same script without many or any deviations, so I simply discard them all as potentially or even most probably made up.

Sorry and hats off to the veterans. No slant against them, they're as much the victims of state propaganda as the general audience.

[xpzorg]

Do you maybe want talk about anti-soviet propaganda conducted by western governments?

[csThor]

No need. I have the german edition of "The Blonde Knight of Germany" about Erich Hartmann. I do recognise products of the Cold War when I see them ...

[zxwings]

About the 109 chasing the I-16:

Everyone, not just "a few idiots", makes mistakes. Erich Hartmann, when not so experienced in the air, did, too. The 109 pilot in the story, however, did not survive his mistake.

[Feathered_IV]

Sore throat perhaps.