4.11 overheat and engine damage test results

[Jumoschwanz]

Originally Posted by WhistlinggDeath

Just got in about 30 min over lunch with the P51 D-NT. What a mess. It went from an already fairly strong overheat model to overheat every single pass now if you push it above 90% power and pitch.

And you learned more about the IL2 patch 4.11 in a 30 minute lunch than the guys who worked on it for many months? you are a genius.

Why would you use above 90% pitch when in the 4.11 readme there is a long text on the new overheat models and sentences specifically talking about how pitch management and engine rpm is important?

You don't seem to understand that IL2 4.11 is a different flight sim than IL2 4.10.

JG27 and Team Daidalos post solid facts and test results that not only show you do not know what you are doing with testing, but show every single one of your claims to be in error.

I remember on Hyperlobby there was a nice online pilot named VSO that quit flying when IL2 Forgotten Battles came out because he said it was far worse than the original IL2. He could not adapt to the new features and flight models etc..
Anyone can see that over the last ten years Oleg and Team Daidalos and everyone else that worked on IL2 made incredible and vast improvements in it over the years, they have done a stunning job. It may not be apparent from patch to patch, but if you load up the original IL2, or an early patch of Forgotten Battles etc. you will absolutely not want to go backwards.

I have seen other pilots actually quit flying IL2 simply because they were not good at it and could not stand being shot down over and over again, they just did not have the aptitude for it.

As IL2 continues to improve and it offers more historical and complicated features, and flying a WWII aircraft WAS a complicated task and took a lot of intelligence to do well, I think we will see more and more people either not able to grasp all the concepts and methods needed to use all of it's Hard Settings, or complicated features just as in real life, not everyone has the aptitude to fly a real WWII aircraft or any aircraft at all.

If someone does not like the new features that IL2 4.11 offers, like WhistlingDeath, then they can simply turn them off in the control panel, or start their own server flying the version of the sim they are most comfortable with, or also like WD, simply hack the flight sim and make aircraft to suit his individual wet-dreams of WWII aviation history.

I was never the best or smartest IL2 pilot and I never will be, but I have always really enjoyed IL2 and was always thrilled with the gift of new free and paid for patches.

When a patch has changed the way IL2 or my favorite aircraft has worked, in ever single patch over the last ten years I have been able to practice and figure out a way to get the same job as always, shooting down opponents, done.
I and a long, long list of others always welcomed new features that took IL2 on hard settings further from being a Game and deeper into Flight Sim territory. There are a LOT of real pilots that fly IL2 that have praise for it.

I am sure that this long list of IL2 faithfuls are very glad for 4.11 and welcome it's changes, and also know that in any future patches that minor flaws and bugs will be worked out.....

[ElAurens]

Well said.

[T}{OR]

Originally Posted by WhistlinggDeath

As to the rest of you (or the majority), it reminds me of debating an ardent Democrat or Republican here in the States. You strike them down on one topic or prove how silly it is, and they change topic and attack from a different direction. Your need for an exact reproducible experiment is something I strongly support (I am a university educated engineer in real life, and I cherish the scientific method above almost all else except for good sex or great surf). And I have done so, twice now. And under very easy to reproduce conditions.

Do you realize that you are contradicting yourself in your posts? I had to read this paragraph twice just to be sure you actually wrote this.

University educated engineer? Everything you posted screams otherwise. An engineer backs up his statements with solid facts, instead you started by throwing out insults (especially with the first post over at SimHQ) and as a reply to all the data and testing provided here you did what? Posted two miserable tracks that show absolutely nothing.

Even the dumbest pilot can realize TD will further refine and polish the overheating introduced in 4.11. Nothing can be done perfectly out of first attempt. Had you chosen the engineer's approach you might have influenced TD them "fixing the problem" and further help this patch become ever better. But that would require providing solid data and info. Yeah...

Even the math is all against you. When 100 people say one thing and you are the only one saying otherwise, it is logical to conclude that you are doing something wrong or should start over. Thats how engineers do it.

And last, about the dying online community. Lately, ever since 4.11 came out I see people crawling out from nowhere just to test the 4.11 because they heard it is great. If indeed it is dying, than its your breed mate. Somehow don't feel bad about it at all.

[jameson]

Found this for WD, "How to Fly the P-47: High Altitude Flight and Aerobatics", USAAF training film:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=db0mE...eature=related

Take note of throttle settings when diving.

and this, you need to register to download this:-

http://www.ww2aircraft.net/forum/oth...ual-22715.html

Contains diagrams of high speed diving and speed limits.

Manual states WEP under 5000ft has no effect and should not be used.

[WhistlinggDeath]

Final comment then:

I am quite unliked (usually) online for being one hard charging aggressive person, and I think that has turned off many who cannot see past that dominating (but artificial) facade I use online to the deeper mechanics of possible flaws in 4.11. Hence, I represent an obstacle to deeper debate from the many aerospace engineers who dwell here, so I will leave you to it. Many of you seem to love 4.11 and feel it represents your version of what you wish IL2 to be (or become). As no one (including the members of the development team or IL2 original programmers) is a certified WWII warbird pilot with time in unrestored warbird frames, the rest boils down to a particular interpretation of historical data. And that is just it, ... it is an interpretation. Many seem to voice strongly for the 4.11 interpretation. I dont agree with ya, but I am happy to remain in the minority and continue using 4.10.1 for online use for our lab server. For those that enjoy 4.11 greatly, more power to you then, and I wish you guys well as you continue flying with the new patch you clearly enjoy. S! Gents

[BadAim]

You're disliked for being boastful, arrogant, and FULL OF YOURSELF. Most people around here appreciate an aggressive pilot, and most will overlook any number of character flaws in someone who has something to say, but we've seen nothing but mental masturbation from you here, buddy.

As the old saying goes, "it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and prove it."

[-=MadCat=-]

Well, I certainly am not the most active poster here in this forum, rather a silent reader. and maybe in a few days I'll wish I hadn't posted this.
But I have an honest question to you, WD, no offence intended.

University's offsprings are a broad variety of engineers.
The fact you presumably know quite well to read and handle source code lets me think software engineer.
The way you judge others and yourself here makes me think, maybe rather social engineer.
What kind of engineer are you and maybe you even reveal what your major was ?

As said, it's an honest question and I think many are interested in the answer.
Please clarify.

[WhistlinggDeath]

And yet Bad Aim, I would be surprised if you could win one in seven combat sorties versus me, in a same plane, same fuel load, co-altitude starting duel (in full real). I have a feeling I could masturbate with one hand, drink coffee with the other, and blow you out of the sky with my left foot (the bad one) on the keyboard (joystick use , much, much too powerful for you)

$25 bucks says you cant or wont show up for a fair co-altitude duel and win a best of seven. You do, and you win fair and square, I'll publicly kiss your azz in this forum and give you the 25 bucks (thru Paypal). You will talk trash behind others' backs and spout hate, but when the bullets start flying, you will turn tail and crash into the sea. Prove me wrong patsy.

WD Fights, (full real), Jan 30th, at 7 PM PST, Xfire. (and we will use 4.11, since you are clearly a master of its CEM) Server is crt=2. I will make an Ntrk track, whether you show up or dont. Mediafire will be happy to host an ntrk of your absence out of fear. Bring Thor with you too. You need a witness.

Show or no show, I will be posting that Ntrk here for all to see.

Any excuses you spout in this forum = cowardice. (even one tiny one). Time to man up and let us see your awesome 4.11 CEM. I cant wait.

[ElAurens]

[AndyJWest]

Infantile....