The Crystal Ball

[bongodriver]

Besides whining and negative criticism, you know what else kills game? Releasing something that is half finished.

Right we have that part clear now....whining kills games.

Now as an extra lesson I'll tell you what fixes games with problems........developers, particularily ones who do their job instead of appeasing spoiled brats.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Robert

And yet Luthier gives a clear road map about what they're trying to fix/not fix at the current moment and you're the first to chime in about something not immediately relevent to the upadate like Anistropic Filtering. You expect us to believe that you wouldn't complain about being beta testers for an incomplete project had they been forth coming?

does this road map say when the FM, DM, CEM, AI, crashes and sound will be fixed?

How much so far on that road map has been fixed?

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

does this road map say when the FM, DM, CEM, AI, crashes and sound will be fixed?

How much so far on that road map has been fixed?

Fixed?.....no, nothings ever fixed with games, improved?......yes by comparisson to release, when the next patch is released we will see more improvement, I don't think you will ever find anyone that will give you a fixed date on when a patch will be done for any game.

[Robert]

Originally Posted by furbs

does this road map say when the FM, DM, CEM, AI, crashes and sound will be fixed?

How much so far on that road map has been fixed?

I rest my case. You're looking at the wrong map. You also avoided my comment about whining regarding what's not included in an update. You or I my not like the road map or progress of the sim, but if the map points to one place (nevermind how small the distance is) it is a plan. Asking why we're not farther along matters not one bit.



Don't get me totally wrong, furbs. There are those on the other side of the fence who are just as vehement as you are and don't add significantly to the overall forum atmosphere. We all know the game's not perfect....

I chalk it up to being disappointed after a long protracted build of CoD. I understand that. But there has to be a point where folks realize that kvetching or over abundant praise helps no one.

I think the moderators are trying to reach that medium. Unfortunately it has come to moderation of posts and topics... including banning of members.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by furbs

Ok lets say when will the features work as intended?

When it's done.....at some point in the future........when the process of fixing the code has been accomplished..........when the devs are satisfied with the results

[Force10]

Originally Posted by furbs

Think i might fill up with a few planes too. price of a lunch.

I will as well. I am shy like 2 planes.

[Chivas]

Its amazing how quickly people forgot the problems ROF had on release. It certainly wasn't released as unfinished as COD, but it was also not as complex. There is very little money in the prop genre and only dedicated flight sim people, like the ROF, and COD teams are still in the business. I'll have to remember to add a few more aircraft to my ROF install. I don't fly it much as I simply don't like the claustrophobic feel of that top wing.

Its also amazing that there are people who think that because someone says something good about COD that they are in denial about the problem that exist, and are hurting the genre. I'm not aware of anyone in the forums who thinks and posts that the sim doesn't need any work. I guess they figure the developer will think we must love the sim they way it is, and won't bother trying to fixing it. I'm quite sure the developer isn't impaired with that logic.

What the development have achieved so far is a mixed bag, that is indicative of any sim released unfinished. The current state of COD, has required years of work, and is a strong base to achieve a very good combat flight sim. As long as they keep working, I'm quite willing to support them. Its just a fact of life that todays combat flight sims are just too complex, expensive, and time consuming, for a small enthusiast developer to handle on time and on budget.

Yes, we could express the argument, that what was released took to long, and wasn't what we expected, but everyone is aware of that.....its time we got over it, and moved on to something else, or stay and support the development with constructive feedback.

[furbs]

Originally Posted by Robert

I rest my case. You're looking at the wrong map. You also avoided my comment about whining regarding what's not included in an update. You or I my not like the road map or progress of the sim, but if the map points to one place (nevermind how small the distance is) it is a plan. Asking why we're not farther along matters not one bit.



Don't get me totally wrong, furbs. There are those on the other side of the fence who are just as vehement as you are and don't add significantly to the overall forum atmosphere. We all know the game's not perfect....

I chalk it up to being disappointed after a long protracted build of CoD. I understand that. But there has to be a point where folks realize that kvetching or over abundant praise helps no one.

I think the moderators are trying to reach that medium. Unfortunately it has come to moderation of posts and topics... including banning of members.

Yep agreed robtek, just as the "nothing wrong with the sim and your not allowed to say anything bad about it" crowd wind me and others up. i dont ask people not to post how much they enjoy it and are happy with it.

about the FSAA, how many times have i and other people asked? all i want is a straight answer.

i dont mind if you or anyone else dont believe me robtek but my earlier post IS how i feel.

ive spent 1500 quid on a PC on the stories we was told about CLOD and how it would be.



All i see is smoke and mirrors, patch padding, no fixes and a sim that has failed so far.
I hope it gets fixed, i hope CLOD one day represents the battle of its name and not "air quake lone wolf engagement over the coast"

Im going to stop the tit for tat posting but im not going to stop posting my opinion because i hope Luthier reads these forums, though i doubt that too.

[bongodriver]

Yep agreed robtek, just as the "nothing wrong with the sim and your not allowed to say anything bad about it"

These people are a fiction, never seen a single post by anyone here saying theres nothing wrong.

ive spent 1500 quid on a PC on the stories we was told about CLOD and how it would be.

you did what?

[Ataros]

We all know Wargaming.net, a developer of World of tanks, World of Battleships and World of Warplanes, a relatively rich company.

In 2009 they released a strategy game called Order of War. In 2010 they switched all their attention to World of Tanks and stopped supporting it. By Jan. 2011 the game and forum was dead no patches planned.

Game Being Abandoned by fans because of memory bugs

This is how this business works nowadays. They can not prove to investors that it is financially feasible to support a 1.5-year old product.

This is what luthier probably means when he says that they decided to support the product unlike other companies. This also means they managed to persuade investors to do so. Very good news so far. They need our support to persuade investors again next month and then again and again till CloD bugs are fixed and BoM is released to pay the investors back. Cursing the devs would only harm this regular persuasion process.