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[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by xnomad

I am aware of the affect mass has on allowing an object to hold it's speed. This is also why you can gain altitude faster by diving and zoom climbing than just by conventional climbing

Aaaaaaarrrrrgghhh

You've just kill me hundreds of time.

Tht's why I hate so much the stupid FM IL2 had on some plane (not talking abt old CFS). Painful to see that way how disastrous a complaisant FM can have on the sim community (and RL pilot ?).

Pls don't take me wrong there is nothing personal. You hve all the right to be wrong (as I do take mine from time to time )

No, the height you loss in a dive is not to be exceeded after with a zoom climb. You can't climb by alternating dive and zoom. Tht's Il2 world only.

If you want to fast climb, first use your kin E by putting your nose over the horizon using your cte climb incidence as a reference. Your plane will coast rise using the energy due to the speed and then climb at the best ratio possible once your vector speed has fall down to best climb speed.

Zooming (like going full vertical) does not accelerate your time to alt. It simply
reduce the time for distance separation with an opponent that hve less E. But you hve to know that the maximum alt you will gain with a given state of E is in fact much less than using the above technique.

~S

[Ataros]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Zooming (like going full vertical) does not accelerate your time to alt. It simply
reduce the time for distance separation with an opponent that hve less E. But you hve to know that the maximum alt you will gain with a given state of E is in fact much less than using the above technique.

~S

I think theoretically it is better to zoom in case your speed exceeds your best climb speed because drag is proportional to speed square IIRC. Thus every second an airplane has speed higher than best climb speed it is wasting E due to extra drag. If it zooms it reduces time spent at speed higher than best climb speed and converts kinetic E to potential E. As soon as speed is dropped to best climb speed zoom can be stopped and changed to sustained climb at best climb speed. Just my understanding, may be be not 100% correct.

PS. And btw acceleration of a falling object does not depend on its weight, rather on weight to drag ratio IIRC. In vacuum 2 objects of different weight would fall with the same speed.

[xnomad]

Originally Posted by TomcatViP

Aaaaaaarrrrrgghhh

You've just kill me hundreds of time.

Tht's why I hate so much the stupid FM IL2 had on some plane (not talking abt old CFS). Painful to see that way how disastrous a complaisant FM can have on the sim community (and RL pilot ?).

Pls don't take me wrong there is nothing personal. You hve all the right to be wrong (as I do take mine from time to time )

No, the height you loss in a dive is not to be exceeded after with a zoom climb. You can't climb by alternating dive and zoom. Tht's Il2 world only.

If you want to fast climb, first use your kin E by putting your nose over the horizon using your cte climb incidence as a reference. Your plane will coast rise using the energy due to the speed and then climb at the best ratio possible once your vector speed has fall down to best climb speed.

Zooming (like going full vertical) does not accelerate your time to alt. It simply
reduce the time for distance separation with an opponent that hve less E. But you hve to know that the maximum alt you will gain with a given state of E is in fact much less than using the above technique.

~S

Yep I agree, I have no idea why I wrote that or what I was thinking.