Battle for Moscow

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

Dear friend, I was there in 2001. When IL2 came out. Its not the same team. Its not the same man in charge. Different times....nuff said.

The same is true of North Korea.......point is many institutions go through a change of leadership but the institutions remain the same.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The same is true of North Korea.......point is many institutions go through a change of leadership but the institutions remain the same.

So you think IL2 and CLOD share the same playability, optimisation (of engine) success, sale and popularity amongs fans?.....not even close...maybe one day but we will see....we wil see...even if CLOD succeed in that, IL2 will still have better start...much better...btw, having a different man in charge could make a big difference....both in success and quality! of the product and in communication with the fans and other parties...On top of that Oleg didnt have IL2 as backgroiund for his team...it was "to be or not to be". Maybe thats the reason of their success...

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

So you think IL2 and CLOD share the same playability, optimisation (of engine) success, sale and popularity amongs fans?.....not even close...maybe one day but we will see....we wil see...even if CLOD succeed in that, IL2 will still have better start...much better...btw, having a different man in charge could make a big difference....both in success and quality! of the product and in communication with the fans and other parties...On top of that Oleg didnt have IL2 as backgroiund for his team...it was "to be or not to be". Maybe thats the reason of their success...

only speaking personally I have to say COD is already better than IL2 for me, but I am one of the lucky ones that gets good performance at max settings on modest hardware (bless my lucky stars), I am fully aware of the problems others are having and feel accordingly bad for them.
My point about different leadership was just to give the balancing view to counter the 'black and white' mentality that crashes around this place.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

I am one of the lucky ones that gets good performance at max settings on modest hardware (bless my lucky stars),.

thats it....we agreed

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Tvrdi

thats it....we agreed

Debateable......it just raises the doubt over the 'inherently broken game' theory, if it works on my machine it can be made to work on the rest.....and that is what they are trying to do.

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Debateable......it just raises the doubt over the 'inherently broken game' theory, if it works on my machine it can be made to work on the rest.....and that is what they are trying to do.

Nope. Simmilar was with ROF. Some of us had almost the same machines but some couldnt play without serious issues; very noticable drop of performance (FPS drop, stutters etc) and some had really smooth game. Same is here but with more dramatival differencies. THAT HAPPENS usually with games which are not OPTIMISED well.....ARMA had some issues earlier too. So all the roads lead to optimisation....I dont even mind lack of content or how the landscape look..just give me the sim which I can play decently.

[ACE-OF-ACES]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The same is true of North Korea.......point is many institutions go through a change of leadership but the institutions remain the same.

Funny thing is this 'different team' excuse that some try to applied to CoD does not even apply to IL-2.!

In that the IL-2 team even changed over 10+ years of development.

What is the same is the 1C standards and way of doing things..

Which was clear to 'most' when Luither said CoD will follow in IL-2 foot steps wrt updates and sequels.

Sadly some still choose to ignore that statement by Luither.. Because it does not fit well into their agenda.