Any plans to finally get a re-crypting?

[Avimimus]

I'd mainly be worried about the creation of a new schism (as happened in the old AAA days).

As an offliner who likes to customise installs slightly, I'd really appreciate a solution which doesn't force me to run two installs (and prevents me from combining the best features of both).

[FC99]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

As an offliner who likes to customise installs slightly, I'd really appreciate a solution which doesn't force me to run two installs (and prevents me from combining the best features of both).

It has been said few times in this thread already that there are no plans for re-encrypting the game.

Originally Posted by Storebror

Join me on a crt=2 server, demonstrate the vulnerability there and I'll be your captivated observer. I'd owe you a beer even if you'd succeed on a crt=1 server.

Well, I'll have to agree with you now, one of us doesn't know much about CRT.

Quite opposite I tell you again that unless the communication between server and client gets encrypted in an effective way, you won't get rid of users of the famous online "Radar" cheat, no matter what encryption you apply to the game itself.

Encrypted or not there is always a way for cheating but it is easier to cheat when one important layer of code integrity protection is removed. Do you really believe that CRT can't be bypassed?

I don't get what you mean. Please express yourself clearly.

Let's see if this will work. Imagine that you have two houses,one with lock and one without. Who will tell you that both houses are equally safe? Maybe those who are blind and don't see the difference, maybe those who don't understand the purpose and function of the lock, maybe jokers ? But from all of them thieves have biggest interest in spreading the false information because their gain is the biggest.

Same analogy applies to the game too.

Originally Posted by rga

Noone is forced to use mods. They choose it. If mods do not give you the awsome feeling of the "original" IL2, don't use them.

Spot on, people have to make decision and play what is most fun for them. Who says that they have to play Il2 at all.

IMHO, re-crypting the game will do only harm. It forces modders to (illegally) copy TD's works and implement them into their mods.

They are not forced to do that.They choose it and that's what they do no matter if game is re-encrypted or not.

Originally Posted by Maori

So, because it is allegedly easier to cheat on an unencrypted game it means encryption is good? no.

I do have full faith on TD work too, but unencrypted game is the way to go.

You are not exactly right here, encryption and modding doesn't exclude each other. Preventing cheating is only small part of what encryption does. In Il2 problem with modding is that game was not designed to support it and that's where most of the problems arise.

FC

[Storebror]

Originally Posted by FC99

Well, I'll have to agree with you now, one of us doesn't know much about CRT.

Sweet, we're turning in circles.
My offer stays valid: Show me how you cheat with your modded game on a crt=1 or crt=2 server and I'll come back here to tell the world you're right.
No need to go on arguing FC, just show it.

Until then, my word stays: If you want to play online and assure that you're not sorrounded by others using mods (i.e. you prefer "vanilla" unmodded IL-2), join crt=2 servers only.

Best regards - Mike

[TheGrunch]

Storebror, I think cheaters unfortunately have more ingenuity than you think. From what I understand, the most widely complained-about cheats nowadays seem to be memory hacks. CRT probably just checks the files in the game folder to make sure they are the same. As an example, do you think CRT can detect someone using San's FOV Changer? It's not a cheat, but it's the same principle. Anyway, why the hell would FC tell you how to cheat on a public forum? It's not information that needs spreading around.

[SAS~Anto]

Hahaha, this thread is hillarious. It is great news that there are no plans for re-encrypting this game but to think that the lack of it is the reason the online community is dying, is complete bulldust.

Il-2 is a 10 year old game. It has done well and despite the best efforts of DT and the modding community, it is eventually going to fade out into a small dedicated community (or in our case, a dozen very tiny communities that support a plethora of incompatible subversions and modpacks)

[Kittle]

Yes, IL2 is a ten year old game. I am of the mind that says, if a game has been going strong for 10 years and only strengthened as time has passed, it will only continue to do so in the future. Flight Sims are not like other game genres, something better doesn't hit the shelves every two months. The players range a very wide age group, people who started flight sims at age 14 will most likely still have an interest at 54. Unless the successor to CloD is as multi cultured in scope as IL246 is today, I will still be flying IL2 for a while after. I really think history will list IL246 as possibly the greatest combat flight sim ever made, but only time will tell. Even allowing for the fact that the political environment in the community would give the folks up in Washington, DC a run for their money, all in all everyone has the same goal in mind, for people to enjoy the game. That right there is what will keep us together!!!

[Aracno]

Edited - doubled post

[Aracno]

I think this thread is useless, we will not encrypt, end of the story.
For sure we dont need an "hight risk of flame thread" like this, i saw too much forum war in the past and too much good modellers/modders stopping work on Il2 for this stupid things.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by Kittle

Yes, IL2 is a ten year old game. I am of the mind that says, if a game has been going strong for 10 years and only strengthened as time has passed, it will only continue to do so in the future. Flight Sims are not like other game genres, something better doesn't hit the shelves every two months. The players range a very wide age group, people who started flight sims at age 14 will most likely still have an interest at 54. Unless the successor to CloD is as multi cultured in scope as IL246 is today, I will still be flying IL2 for a while after. I really think history will list IL246 as possibly the greatest combat flight sim ever made, but only time will tell. Even allowing for the fact that the political environment in the community would give the folks up in Washington, DC a run for their money, all in all everyone has the same goal in mind, for people to enjoy the game. That right there is what will keep us together!!!

The best post in this thread.................

[RegRag1977]

Good points Kittle,

I completely agree that IL2 still has a lot of potential, and that it is not nothing given the fact it is more than 10 years old!!!

My question is rather to find a way to help Maddox games and TD to develop the game farther, to sum up i cannot say for the other people, but i for one would gladely give money for each patch developped. (even if all these patches are priceless)

Originally Posted by Kittle

Yes, IL2 is a ten year old game. I am of the mind that says, if a game has been going strong for 10 years and only strengthened as time has passed, it will only continue to do so in the future. Flight Sims are not like other game genres, something better doesn't hit the shelves every two months. The players range a very wide age group, people who started flight sims at age 14 will most likely still have an interest at 54. Unless the successor to CloD is as multi cultured in scope as IL246 is today, I will still be flying IL2 for a while after. I really think history will list IL246 as possibly the greatest combat flight sim ever made, but only time will tell. Even allowing for the fact that the political environment in the community would give the folks up in Washington, DC a run for their money, all in all everyone has the same goal in mind, for people to enjoy the game. That right there is what will keep us together!!!