Japan Chooses F-35 For Next Generation Fighter Jet

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Quite true...obviously all 3 would be tasked to do different roles primarily but I do see it as a formidable interceptor.

Really?
It's slow as hell, and it can't turn - but hey, in the commercial they said: "Let the missiles do the turning for you."

What they didn't say is - what happens if this trick doesn't work...

Originally Posted by Osprey

I'd be surprised if the Russians create anything World beating, especially as India are involved.

Russians had always, concerning aerodynamics, the edge over western counterparts.
They "only" sucked in Avionics and build quality - but that's something you can fix.
Btw, I was surprised the Iranians could take over a CIA drone - maybe the western electronic edge is no more.

Originally Posted by swiss

Really?
Btw, I was surprised the Iranians could take over a CIA drone - maybe the western electronic edge is no more.

If by "take over" you mean find out where it crashed, then yes, "they took it over".

[Ze-Jamz]

Originally Posted by swiss

Really?

Yes...really

You've been playing too many WW2 sims me thinks..

Do you think they are concerned about if it has the same turn rate as a Super Hornet?

Please

[Bewolf]

Actually....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hy%C5%A...pter_destroyer

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...091501272.html

The japanese are planning an even bigger version of this ship. Though no offical talk about aircraft carriers this kind of ship + the F35 really makes me wonder....

[Ze-Jamz]

Exactly, this isn't just about which aircraft will win in a dogfight it's about a massive investment and future proofing that investment.

Why would you spend that much money on a SuperHornet which is as stealthy as a brick and how much could you actually upgrade that aircraft? 5yrs? 10?

It's not just about speed and turn rate anymore, we stopped worrying about that 20years ago

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Ze-Jamz

Exactly, this isn't just about which aircraft will win in a dogfight it's about a massive investment and future proofing that investment.

Why would you spend that much money on a SuperHornet which is as stealthy as a brick and how much could you actually upgrade that aircraft? 5yrs? 10?

It's not just about speed and turn rate anymore, we stopped worrying about that 20years ago

True, on the one hand, however I am critical of the major argument being stealth. First, it reduces weapon loadout options quite immensly, speed still is probably the most important criteria when it comes to survivability (and THE criteria for an interceptor) and last but not least, maintance of stealth aircraft almost completly negates the effect of having a new airframe. Top that off with current stealth tech just being a gap filler, redundant within 10 years development of RADAR technology (if not already) and the japanese still might bite their behinds for their descision.

However, the F35 probably is the best current fighter for small carrier operations, so IF they build that ship their descision makes somewhat sense.

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by speculum jockey

If by "take over" you mean find out where it crashed, then yes, "they took it over".

The Iranians hacked the drones GPS and reprogrammed it to land at one of their airbases when its comms link was jammed and it went into automatic go home mode. So yes, they took it over.

Video feeds from drones have been intercepted by insurgents in both Iraq and Afghanistan. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8419147.stm

[TomcatViP]

Originally Posted by Osprey

I'd be surprised if the Russians create anything World beating, especially as India are involved. Thanks India, all those billions the UK give you in 'aid' and you spend it on Russians.

Bastards.

Hve Japan and India decided to merge their territory ? If no thx to all the money your gov spent in education for such a poor misunderstanding and vulgar comments

Remark :
- I am not indian (can't do any yoga even trying hard )
- Ok the gov money spent in education can be fairly low especially if you are from the UK

[TomcatViP]

80M$ for an F35 that's cheap (the famous price gap where Typhies and Raf trapped themself - a huge demo of "how to shot down your own fighter) !!! But is this amount include spares, engines and weapons ?

For those that say that the F35 is not a fighter, just remember those saying that the 16 was not a capable fighter.

Serious air force rely entirely on this GenDyn/Lockheed design since years.

Thx for posting the info btw

Originally Posted by trashcanman

The Iranians hacked the drones GPS and reprogrammed it to land at one of their airbases when its comms link was jammed and it went into automatic go home mode. So yes, they took it over.

Video feeds from drones have been intercepted by insurgents in both Iraq and Afghanistan. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8419147.stm

The video feed and the the guidance connection are two entirely different animals. The vid feed is open for ease of access to ground troops and whatever friendly forces are in the area. They've known about this for years, but it is not in any way a danger to the UAV.

The guidance systems are heavily encrypted and were not hacked, and it did no land anywhere, it crashed. The Iranians were given tons of Russian jamming equipment for just this sort of situation. When they knew there was a UAV in the area they turned all their jamming equipment to max to that every signal was blocked and you couldn't even make a cell phone call if you were on top of a cell tower. The drone lost connection, and did a circling pattern while it tried to regain connection with home. When it ran out of gas it crashed (mostly intact) and now the Iranians have a massive propaganda tool and have probably already sold the parts to China and Russia so they can try and reverse engineer things.

They in no way "hacked" that drone.