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12-01-2011, 08:20 AM
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if i understood correct the Gripen is not ment to replace the Hornets?!
Waste of money.....wondering how it got through the swiss direct democratic. EDIT: after reading some newspapers about this, i would say this deal is not done already, only the choice of the government Last edited by JG53Frankyboy; 12-01-2011 at 08:31 AM. 
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12-01-2011, 12:45 PM
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And yes, you're correct concerning the democratic process, the lefties probably are going to demand a poll. But: It wont be about Gripen or something else, it will be about Gripen or no fighters before 2020 at all. No new fighters would mean the Army had lost it's democratic backup. The next poll would be about the dissolution of the Swiss Army, likely with a similar result. You could basically say, if the Gripen loses, the Swiss Army will be gone in less than 10 years. I expect ~55% of the people voting pro new jets. edit: Isn't it a beautiful plane? (In fact, it always was my first choice, even back in the day when we bought the ugly and super expensive F18 )  
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12-01-2011, 01:01 PM
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but running two different jets inthis times by a small airforce.......
i don t know the useable resttime of the swiss Hornets, but even bigger airforces are going to one type jet. It wil not last long, and the german one wil use only its ~140 Eurofighters. the few Tornados, with the newest plan only 85, will be out of service in a few years. Switzerlandvand multirole jets, do thes plan to take part on international missions......for homedefence, groundattack.....not realy seriously, therefor i said waste of money. buying a dozen more of used Hornets (if possible) would be more logical . but perhaps more expensive than thought to bring them to the swiss standarts, if possible at all. but in one or two decades thesecGripens would be the only swiss jets anyway, when the Hornets will have reached the end of their structual lifetime. impersonaly wondering if at least in the "west" the F-35 will not be the last manned jet project for a very long time , if not at all......
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12-01-2011, 01:26 PM
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From what I heard the Gripen and our F18 will share the same engine, obviously the F18 get a F414 upgrade in the near future(?).
Furthermore buying new F18 is going to be an adventure, the Swiss F18 are made in Switzerland with crapload of swiss-custom parts, they replaced everything with titanium. I mean, that thing is tough enough for carrier operations, but not tough enough for the Swiss? Ok... Twin engine also means double fuel consumption and double maintenance - sorry, there's no cash for this kind of luxury. Concerning the future: We are considering to switch to only one model - the Gripen. And the F35, well, that thing is joke. "Let the missiles do the turning", lol What if they fail? You can't run You can't outturn your enemy Check out this link http://www.ausairpower.net/jsf.html Last edited by swiss; 12-01-2011 at 01:31 PM.
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12-01-2011, 01:37 PM
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I for one will be happy to see them flying here in a few years...granted the people vote yes, and that's not sure yet. I know so many people around me that would drop our army if they could, that I think it will be a tough votation, the last one for the F-18 made 57% of yes, now in a time of crisis many people just see what they consider an unnecessary 3 billions public money spending.
We'll see...
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12-01-2011, 01:44 PM
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the tactical thinking , at least in europe,cwent away from full scale airwar to a tatical one were you throw smart bombs form medium height on some 'tribes' . if this will still fit in 50 years, nobody can say. running a serious airforce is a very expensiv affair nowadays.
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12-01-2011, 01:56 PM
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Considering the size of Switzerland, I wonder why they don't invest in a decent AA missile system really. I mean, seriously, how do they operate with these jets? Flying around in circles all the time?
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12-01-2011, 01:59 PM
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Well, you could, but... lol
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12-01-2011, 02:38 PM
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They hve not the same spool size if I remind well. But I guess many chore parts are compatible. In 2020 for sure it wld be a 35 unless the dumbknopf ru[i]ning the fighters project in EU start to re-think their strategy
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12-02-2011, 12:53 PM
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The problem is that in switzerland there is almost no discussion about the threats we are likely to face. I got the impression that the new planes are only some new expensive toys for the military, but no one asks for what tasks we really need them.
Yes, we need an army, but an army which is adequate for the situation. Even if we would expect only one of our neighbors to attack us (which is extremely unlikely), then 22 brand new EF or rafale wouldn't make a difference. For every other scenario we don't need these expensive jets either. That's why the Saab is a good choice.
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