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SWMV I can't disagree with most of your points, I think I acknowledged that the SpitIIa gives reds an unreal advantage, I'd just like it to be with the Reds for a short while
So lets be clear I know its a big advantage. But why not for the reds just for the hell of it for a while.
After the patch (god willing) we can have a different discussion

Yes I've shot down plenty of 109s in a Hurricane where the 109 hasn't been flown to its best advantage but No, the Hurricane cannot outclimb a properly flown 109. True I can almost keep up with it in level speed and perhaps gain on it maybe due to how its flown, I'm not sure, but in climb? No. Believe me I have chased enough to know that. So the properly flown 109 is in no real danger from the Hurricane.

At the moment the only 109s that get shot down are those that are not flown to its strengths or where they are cornered/outnumbered or attacked by an aircraft with energy advantage. Thats not a FM issue its a tactics issue.

CaptainDoggles, bearing in mind we are talking about individual aircraft FMs and assuming your are talking 1v1 of course the Hurricane outclasses the 109 in angles tactics, it will when they are both properly modelled but that's not the best way to fly a 109. When a 109 is properly flown (I don't know how to but I do know I have met them) the Hurricane cannot lay a finger on it. I have to wait for the 109 to make a mistake.

btw we regularly operate at 15000 feet or above and hardly ever see a dicky-bird.

"Just" a spitfire is fine and dandy until squadrons start using them with good team tactics, and in good numbers. 6 guys, maybe even as few as 4 guys would have the ability to completely decimate the Axis side.
Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration, but don't fly alone.

Farber,
by the time of the BoB the Spitfire I wasn't exactly an infant, several improvements like Rotols had been put in on most aircraft although much more was to come. Al Deere in his autobiography describes his first fight with 109Es during the Dunkirk period. He and Johnny Checketts covered a light aircraft rescuing a Squadron CO from the beaches. Johnny went above the low clouds to cover and ran into several (probably two schwarms) of 109Es. He was up to his neck but shot two down before the others made off while one 109E had gone below clouds and fought for several minutes with Al Deere who shot it down. This was in Spitfire Mk1s ! Al Deere was absolutely convinced that in all but climb and dive (mostly cutout problem) the Spitfire I was better than the 109E in that kind of a fight.

So, yes I know the Spit IIa is a big advantage but we don't really have anything to match a properly flown 109. And ATAG are only putting on a few as I understand it.

BUT, roll on the patch