Bf 109 and Mixture

[Bobb4]

[QUOTE=bomath;36505]Well, nobody should stay between you and your happiness to click 7-8 keys even if that doesn't accomplish anything but making the "simulation" work as intended, ergo a game where you need to press those 7-8 keys just to make it work.
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Pulling into a steep climb trailing black smoke with tracers flying all around is awesome... Realizing the black smoke is not some deadly hit by flak or that fighter you shot past and are about to barrel roll onto, but your failure to adjust your mixture feels real. Gives you a sense of immersion that fly arcade (easy) cannot do.
It took me between twenty and thirty attempts to land a plane when I first got Il2 (original). When I bought Pacific Fighters I took months to be able to land onto a stationary carrier.
Falcon 4 and Lock On also took their toll. I will not even talk about chopper landings in Armed Assault, not really a sim but... Each brought a sense of accomplishment.
And I would hate to lose that. Try flying BoB2 Wings of Victory and you will see what I mean. All the eye candy in the world does not change the fact that I can max my throttle and fly till I am shot down. My engine does not overheat, I hardly ever stall and I down an average of two planes a sortie.

We on the (South African SGS Server) take new pilots and train them how to fly. Planes like the 109 need little CEM and are ideal starter planes. We walk them through landing, take-off, CEM, dogfighting, deflection shooting and Situational Awareness.
We have a policy of landing lights or smoke that allows new pilots to fly on our servers and get a feel of the game without being butchered. Obviously once they enter the realms of ADW, Birds of Prey and other full real servers it is a free-for-all.

Sorry about the long winded response, but this is a sim I am passionate about and I love the total immersion of it.

[BSS_Sniper]

Originally Posted by bomath

One of the BIG problems with this kind of simulation: while it doesn't significantly add to the „realism” (short of hiking into a cockpit and putting someone fire .45 rounds at you), it's a hindrance to the people that don't want to memorize some stupid button presses. I mean... When I take off, my sequence is F2-mousepan-L-I-F8-mousepan vertical-PgDown-V-V.
Explanation: in German planes (which I'm flying the most) the pilot is supposed to be a midget, and the cockpit is exageratedly obstructing the view so... F2, to check if there's anyone else taxiing on the runway brackets; the mousepan/TrackIRpan would serve the same purpose, but here I'm explaining why I have to press F2.
Next: L for lights, because (even with the lights on) some other people don't bother to check if I'm already taxiing, and at least my navlights should tell them something.
And so on, and so forth; everybody here knows that right after you press Refly, we're starting an already too long list of keypresses, even before the plane moves a single inch.

My point: complex engine management is just something for the MS FlightSim guys, obsessed to cheat themselves into believing that they really can fly a plane, if faced with a situation. Yeah right... The bad part? Because of the CEM somebody that casually flies a Bf109-G6 A/S can be chased and hunted down by a *theoretically* slower plane, like LaGG, because the LaGG player learned the quirks of the game. So then I ask you, gentlemen: is this really simulation, or just adds to the fact that it's only a game and you can "win" by robotically typing some predefined keysets, memorized by heart and not really calculated?
It's as useless as the separate engine start... It might be realistic, but it just substracts from the fun. Do remember, it's a game and nobody pays you to memorize sequences.
Finally, the last thing that hurts everyone here, lurking to find out sooner some info about the next upcoming patch or the potential Korea sim: each and every "feature" takes time to research and program. Does anybody benefit from this delay? Maybe only the MS guys, programing the CFS4...

Wrong! If you want/can use F2 to view outside the cockpit, those very same servers will probably have complex CEM (when it's available in BOB) turned off so you'll be just fine. I DO fly IRL and will/do enjoy having to go through all the proper procedures to do things correctly. If you want arcade play Pacman.

[bomath]

Originally Posted by BSS_Sniper

Wrong! [blah-blah...] If you want arcade play Pacman.

That's simply typical; The Great Beholder of The Absolute Truth has speaketh!
Well, in your case the game misses an essential feature: the pilot miraculously appears right in the cockpit. What a shame, there is no stair simulator in preflight!
I'd still enjoy a rational answer(of course, not from people full of BS). Especially for the CEM research/programming part.

[robtek]

@bomath
did you have to learn to be offensive or are you a natural?
It was quite clear stated that not only a few of the gamers here feel that the "dumb button pushing"
adds to the immersion into the game.
Obviously you can´t accept that. Fine.
Go play on servers with cem turned off and, voila.... no more problems!
Or play offline the way you love it -> nobody cares.
But please don´t try to tell the rest of the world what fun is.
That does everybody decide for himself.(or herself)

[Rote Dreizehn]

Hi Pilots,

your replys are really Interesting! Thanks a lot to all People who replys.

@Kurfurst
Interesting. Can´t believe that the Engines in the WW II have
an Auto Mixture. Thanks for your Update! Do you know any
Site where this Function is elaborate on?

@BadAim
ah - I see. Sorry for my bad English. Haven´t find another Word for
"Vergaser". Now I learned "Carburator" Thanks! I will try the
Hurricane.

@bomath
I understand your Opinion. But when you start a Plane, you have to do a
preflight Check which is not other as a sequence of switches and checks.
E.G. (When I take off, my sequence is F2-mousepan-L-I-F8-mousepan....).
My Opinion about disabled CEM: You play a better ego shooter. Be cool,
dont take me this bad.

@Blackdog_kt
I hope it too. I can´t await the release of BoB.

@ Feuerfalke
Correct. Every Player who wants to play Arcade on IL2 or later BoB, can
disable CEM and choose a spezial Online Server.

Greetz to all
Rote Dreizehn

[Bobb4]

welcome

[bomath]

Originally Posted by robtek

@bomath
did you have to learn to be offensive or are you a natural?
[...]
But please don´t try to tell the rest of the world what fun is.
That does everybody decide for himself.(or herself)

True, I'm being aggresive and I'm sorry, but I'm replying to people that wouldn't have it any other way; really, am I supposed to go light on the ones that jump the gun and say „Wrong”, without a moment of pause? I guess these are the ones that play in Spitfires and La5...

Originally Posted by Rote Dreizehn

[...]
@bomath
I understand your Opinion.
[...]
My Opinion about disabled CEM: You play a better ego shooter. Be cool,
dont take me this bad.
[...]

Trying to stay cool, and definately I don't want just another arcade flying game. Let's say that I should try to cope better with CEM; where can I find the instructions for (let's say) a Fw-190D? There are none, and I'm supposed to fly at least three hours to test the possible uses, all the way from take-off to about 6000m. There isn't any documentation on that, and as long as it means that it's compulsory (because not using CEM would mean to be shot down in a '44 plane by a '41 one) one can recognize that something is amiss...

[Bobb4]

There are planes, the 109's that require very little CEM for those that want the quick combat fix
But yes spending a little time working out how a 190 works best is not really a bad thing.
Just as you have to learn combat tactics such as lead attacks, barrel rolls etc...
This is just my opinion and not an attack on yours bomath.
Planes flying on arcade settins online tend to end up as airquake matches where the quickest trigger finger wins...

[Baghr]

Hello all, interesting post and responses.

Im a noob to this sim, coming from years of MS Flightsims. I enjoy realism in sims, and is the main reason I really enjoy this one. I tried the CFS lines, but hey didnt hold my interest very long. I like the fact the P-38j's control surfaces lock when in a steep dive (will remember that one for sure) and the Hurricane's stumble with negative G's, its what makes it interesting to me.

I'm nowhare close to be ready for combat at this point, as Im still learning the basics of these wonderful unstable machines (remember, I coming from Cessna's and Pipers) I have nice rudder pedals and HOTAS, and have ordered a tracker for the panning. These help with immersion, which is what I enjoy. What that means to me is realistic. So, yes its frustrating for me right now, but in the long run I'll be a better pilot for it. I have flown aircraft in real life, and enjoy a sim that its just that a simulation of flight, not an arcade game.

So, I'll see you on the servers someday, but until then Ive got some flying to do, getting some hours under my belt. An I wouldnt have it any other way.

[Blackdog_kt]

I tend to agree, the best FM and DM in the world alone, or the best graphics alone won't do much for a sim. The reason is because they need to be combined to give you the all important feeling of an immersive experience. There's nothing better than feeling you are really there. Well, short of a 20mm shell exploding behind your chair

How many here remember European Air War? It's a very old game and certainly not up to par with IL-2 in the technical aspect, but i would find myself reinstalling it from time to time because of immersion alone.

I had seen HUGE battles with about 200 planes in the air at the same time and the AI wingmen radio chatter was so realistic i almost fell sorry about them when they would get shot down. Certainly one of the best sims ever made as far as immersion goes.