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[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Given that Messerschmitt is hiding somewhere within EADS (that's also why you see so many EADS sponsored Messerschmitts) I consider this Vid kinda ironic. If I were the pilot of the EF I'd be hard pressed not to pull the trigger. Completly understand KG26_Alpha's attitude here

one of my best mates is an ITAF pilot an is completing his syllabus on the EF: he said (and I quote) "it's an outstanding machine, you go from 200kts to 450 in roughly 5 secs and can turn around a pole! The flaws are distinctively British though!".

There seems to be a somehow unorthodox approach in British aircraft design: another good friend of mine is a Canadian Air Force pilot and flew with the Hawk when e still was a cadet and I remember him saying "the first impression when you sit inside the Hawk is that someone puked the instruments all over the cockpit" lol

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

There seems to be a somehow unorthodox approach in British aircraft design: another good friend of mine is a Canadian Air Force pilot and flew with the Hawk when e still was a cadet and I remember him saying "the first impression when you sit inside the Hawk is that someone puked the instruments all over the cockpit" lol

hehe, some traditions die hard

[KG26_Alpha]

No matter what role it dresses up in, EADS, SEADS, CASCOM, IRST or DASS its still a flop as a multi role ac compared to its contemporaries.

It was purely an exercise in how much tax payers money can be wasted on an obsolete ac design.

Too many fingers were allowed into this pie, it took too long to develop and went way over its budget, result out of date over priced ac.

Turning with a Spit proves what ?

It can turn with a Spit in a high Speed turn ...yippee

You wont see this ac in such combat manoeuvres.

Of course IMHO



Edit:
Woops just seen swiss's post same thoughts as mine.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by KG26_Alpha

No matter what role it dresses up in, EADS, SEADS, CASCOM, IRST or DASS its still a flop as a multi role ac compared to its contemporaries.

I'm sorry man, but you can appreciate that without any evidence of what you say, your sentence can hardly be taken seriously.

It was purely an exercise in how much tax payers money can be wasted on an obsolete ac design.

same as above.

Too many fingers were allowed into this pie, it took too long to develop and went way over its budget, result out of date over priced ac.

I agree about the fingers and the development time, but it's a jet with a HUGE longevity ahead of it. Let's not forget that we still fly our Tornadoes and there are jets that are more than 30 years old on the lines.

Turning with a Spit proves what ?
It can turn with a Spit in a high Speed turn ...yippee

that you don't need thrust vectoring to show off at an airshow

You wont see this ac in such combat manoeuvres.

Of course IMHO



Edit:
Woops just seen swiss's post same thoughts as mine.

yeah, one kinda wonders what you guys think would be better than an EF, an F-35 maybe? The most expensive piece of military equipment ever developed and not even finished yet? mmmmmh

[pupo162]

well, to be fair the eurifighter typhon is probably th eonly jet fighter i find good looking.

regarding its effectivness, really dont know, really dont care.

[JG52Krupi]

F-15 is still the best modern fighter IMHO.

The Eurofighter is not that bad an aircraft its just too late for the show...

[MD_Titus]

stern - good posts.

[swiss]

The EF would have been an awesome plane - if it was out in the 90s...
Let's sum it up:

- it's over 10 years late
- has no stealth capabilities
- way too expensive
- it's 2011, yet there's still no thrust vectoring

This plane is friggin joke. On the other hand, it's the perfect weapon to scare the crap out of some 3rd world countries...
Too bad the "Allied" didn't lose any over Libya.

Rumor has it it came out as the favorite of the swiss airforce, they evaluated the EF, Rafale and Grippen.
Should that prove to be true, for the time in my life I'll join the lefties and vote it down.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by swiss

The EF would have been an awesome plane - if it was out in the 90s...
Let's sum it up:

- it's over 10 years late

So? What do you want, a new multi-role jet every 5 years? It was designed with longevity in mind. The F-18 is 25 years old, yet you don't hear a lot of people complaining about it (and let's not even look at the F-15 or F-16..).

- has no stealth capabilities

has less stealth capabilities than an F-22 maybe, but it has a good stealth level.

- way too expensive

is it? Compared to what exactly? Last time I checked an F-22 price tag it didn't come cheaper than an EF.

- it's 2011, yet there's still no thrust vectoring

Yeah, too bad that thrust vectoring doesn't really serve much of a purpose, other than doing fancy manouvres at an airshow..

This plane is friggin joke. On the other hand, it's the perfect weapon to scare the crap out of some 3rd world countries...
Too bad the "Allied" didn't lose any over Libya.

your conclusion is somehow despicable. And for the record, the US lost several "stealth" jets, most notably an F-117 over Serbia..

Rumor has it it came out as the favorite of the swiss airforce, they evaluated the EF, Rafale and Grippen.
Should that prove to be true, for the time in my life I'll join the lefties and vote it down.

for once Switzerland could be good and give back some of the money they robbed over the last 100 years, so let's hope they buy them yes.

[swiss]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

So? What do you want, a new multi-role jet every 5 years? It was designed with longevity in mind. The F-18 is 25 years old, yet you don't hear a lot of people complaining about it (and let's not even look at the F-15 or F-16..).

We have F18. It's save to assume they are the best maintained F18 on the planet.
Yet, we still have only 50% availability.

has less stealth capabilities than an F-22 maybe, but it has a good stealth level.

For the this price and 2011?

is it? Compared to what exactly? Last time I checked an F-22 price tag it didn't come cheaper than an EF.

The F22 is not available for Export, the way it looks right now they end production next year.
Given the fact they don't sell it, there's no need to discuss it.

Yeah, too bad that thrust vectoring doesn't really serve much of a purpose, other than doing fancy manouvres at an airshow..

But outturnig a spit is an achievement?
I guess future Typhoon upgrades include the ability to outrun Mig 21s.

your conclusion is somehow despicable. And for the record, the US lost several "stealth" jets, most notably an F-117 over Serbia..

I only know of the F117 lost in combat.
Then again, it was shot down by an elite AAA unit.
It actually only proves the existence of the golden shot, nothing more, nothing less.

for once Switzerland could be good and give back some of the money they robbed over the last 100 years, so let's hope they buy them yes.

Actually I hope we buy the Grippen.
You get 2 of them for each eurofighter, double availability.
They are cheap to operate and idiotproof
Not EU
Not USA

In case we have to wait a few years maybe we should evaluate the Pak-Fa too, although they could be a bit oversized for this tiny country.

BTT:
What money? Stole from whom? Since 1911?