The Northrop Grumman Issue.

[NukeItFromOrbit]

Originally Posted by Viking

"All it takes for evil to prevail is for a few good men to do nothing."
Or worse to work for it.
As for the "Aircraft and weapon systems which we need BTW" I can asure you that WE dont!
Viking

Work for evil? I don't know whose lies you have been buying but that simply isn't true.

For the most part, Northrop-Grumman is a corporation like any other, meaning they will pull garbage like this and bother a smaller game developer over trademark related issues. I don't support this behavior in anyway, but unfortunately that is the state of business in most of the world.

Yet there are valid reasons for NG's continued existence and I'm sure many of their workers remember the legacy of Northrop and Grumman. Yes they make many systems the United States needs because one simple fact always remains true. Through use or obsolesce, old systems including aircraft, need to be replaced. Plus there are always new capabilities the US military (or foreign customers) hope to in order to counter new or existing threats. Technology is always advancing.

The defense industry in the United States has been consolidated too much for my liking, and I honestly don't have much respect for the higher-level management of NG or most major corporations, defense-related or otherwise, but you're completely in the wrong to disrespect those workers and engineers.

[Viking]

Originally Posted by NukeItFromOrbit

Work for evil? I don't know whose lies you have been buying but that simply isn't true.

For the most part, Northrop-Grumman is a corporation like any other, meaning they will pull garbage like this and bother a smaller game developer over trademark related issues. I don't support this behavior in anyway, but unfortunately that is the state of business in most of the world.

Yet there are valid reasons for NG's continued existence and I'm sure many of their workers remember the legacy of Northrop and Grumman. Yes they make many systems the United States needs because one simple fact always remains true. Through use or obsolesce, old systems including aircraft, need to be replaced. Plus there are always new capabilities the US military (or foreign customers) hope to in order to counter new or existing threats. Technology is always advancing.

The defense industry in the United States has been consolidated too much for my liking, and I honestly don't have much respect for the higher-level management of NG or most major corporations, defense-related or otherwise, but you're completely in the wrong to disrespect those workers and engineers.

Yadayada.......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd8ww...eature=related

For a start

[jannaspookie]

I find it interesting to come back to the 1C forums every now and then, and still see people talking/debating the Northrup Grumman issue. AFAIK, it isn't exactly against the law; it's just a matter of legal precedent from my understanding (and no game company wants to take the risk of legal action from a giant corporation like NG).

I'm sure some of you here would gladly debate what I've just said, but it really doesn't matter. Just wait for a Yorktown-class mod to be completed (two have already been started). Remember the P-61? We thought we'd never have the one of those for the same reason, but now there's a Black Widow mod that has a better 3D model than the one originally built for Pacific Fighters. Modders can (and are) filling the gaps 1C couldn't. I only wish I had the skill or knowledge because I'd make the Enterprise myself

[Asheshouse]

Originally Posted by jannaspookie

Just wait for a Yorktown-class mod to be completed (two have already been started).

Easy to start. -- Not so easy to finish. -- and my count is that 3 have been started
One thing I would love to see is for the US and IJN generic BB's to be removed from the game --- and replaced with something more authentic.
Pearl Harbour map with no authentic BB's -- I guess this is all down to the NG issue.

Ashe

[EJGr.Ost_Caspar]

Originally Posted by jannaspookie

Remember the P-61? We thought we'd never have the one of those for the same reason, but now there's a Black Widow mod that has a better 3D model than the one originally built for Pacific Fighters.

Better? In which way? Better in wasting polygons? Its one of the worse excamples of modding to me. Of course you cannot see it yourself.
(in case, you are talking about his one: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=19018.0)

[Juri_JS]

Could somebody tell me which ww2 aircraft that we don't have in the stock game are affected by the Grumman issue?

[dFrog]

the most important :
F4U Corsair later versions
F8F Bearcat
P-61 Black Widow (and F-15 Reporter)
SB2U Vindicator
TBF Avenger (flyable)

[Fighterace]

Originally Posted by dFrog

the most important :
F4U Corsair later versions
F8F Bearcat
P-61 Black Widow (and F-15 Reporter)
SB2U Vindicator
TBF Avenger (flyable)

F7F Tigercat
Birdcage F4U Corsair
B-29 Superfortress (flyable)

[HundertneunGustav]

Originally Posted by EJGr.Ost_Caspar

Better? In which way? Better in wasting polygons? Its one of the worse excamples of modding to me. Of course you cannot see it yourself.
(in case, you are talking about his one: http://www.sas1946.com/main/index.php?topic=19018.0)

that... or none.
your choice is...?
i see what i see. and it pleases my ignorant eyes

[NukeItFromOrbit]

Originally Posted by Viking

Yadayada.......
For a start

You still haven't responded to any of my points. NG isn't going around starting wars, they're simply a corporation like any other, interested in business and making money. As I've said, they way they pushed around 1C here was completely wrong, but major companies fire similar trademark related lawsuits all the time. Yes it sucks, but there's nothing we can do about it. Now, if Ubisoft had given 1C some halfway decent support, this issue could have been worked out in a manner that would have allowed us to have all of these aircraft.

I don't care what you think of Northrop's CEOs or lawyers, but what's your problem with the average worker? As someone who works for a small firm manufacturing engine components, I'd be damned pleased if I ended up working for NG someday.

We can't keep flying B-52s and F-15s forever. There are many, many things in America's military due to be phased out in the coming years. Having such industry here in the United States sure beats having to import everything or eventually letting our military degrade to third-world status. I just wish there hadn't been so much consolidation over the years. It wasn't that long ago when McDonnell Douglas, Grumman, North American/Rockwell International, Vought, and Republic/Fairchild were all their own companies.