Oleg Maddox's Room #1

[dflion]

Thanks for these development shots Oleg, this will be a great plane to 'train on' in BOB.

Many WWII pilots began their flying on Tiger Moths, including my Father, who still talks about flying them with great affection - he is 86.

There are still many of these wonderful aircraft flying in Australia and they always a tremendous sight to see and hear - stirs up plenty of historic emotion.

Looking forward to seeing some more development shots of BOB aircraft when you can.
DFLion

[Former_Older]

Originally Posted by Viking

Thanks for the clarification Oleg; and the update on the Tigermoth.

Excuse me if I seem to be bashing again but I can’t get my head around the “logic” of the firms involved.

The nation is under attack: and the citizens and companies are threatened: the citizens ask the companies to produce products that will make it possible for the citizens to protect the nation and the companies from that threat: the citizens pays for them in full: the companies are protected and makes a profit; the citizens pay in both gold and in blood: jet the companies owns it all!?

I know that it’s often a huge gap between law and moral but this…

*Viking shakes his head*

Viking

US Law in many cases, like this one, requires, I stress, requires a company to actively pursue issues similar to this if they want their rights protected later on. Otherwise a precedent is made that can be used as a legal wedge later on, to violate intellectual property, or copyright, or trademark- and it doesn't mater if the issue with Oleg was not trademark, or if it was not copyright, or if it was both, or neither. It's irrelevant. And intent, "public domain", cultural heritage...these things are nice warm and fuzzy feel goods, I agree, but they mean squat here

let me ask you a few questions, Viking:

Does the Government in your country collect taxes?

Do they buy things with those taxes?

Do those things belong to you? Can you use them whenever you like?

Do you own the Rights to the designs that produced those things?

The answers are of course "No" to the last three. You don't own those things or their rights. [thank you Avinimus! that made no sense before- Chris]. And of course, the companies that contract to your Government do exactly the same thing in regards to things they design.

So why then do you think that products made for WWII "belong" to US citizens? The US Government collected taxes, and sold Bonds to raise money for this WWII production. Then they allocated money to various Government agencies. The US Navy was one, and still is.

So the US Navy contracts Grumman to make a plane. The US Navy owns the plane. They bought it, with their money. They did. Not "The People". It's US Navy Property. Just like an Aircraft Carrier in use today, or a US Naval airbase or a truck the US Navy hauls toilet paper in. Every time a dollar changes hands, the the government that made the monetary system possible gets a share. This idea is very old of course- they back up the monetary system with their guarantee it will work, so the People pay taxes

But does the US Navy own the rights to the designs of that plane, or that aircraft carrier or that airbase or that delivery truck, just becasue they bought a plane, or a carrier, or an airbase, or a truck? Does the age of the thing matter?

Again, no. The company that designed the things owns those rights. How does it matter that the plane is 75 years old? The rights are not public property, and never, ever were

So today, a company called Northrop-Grumman Corporation owns the rights to for instance, an F4F-3 aircraft. Exactly the same way they own the rights to an F/A-18 E/F Super Hornet. The same laws protect both sets of "rights". There is no "F3F-3 Law" and no "Super Hornet Law". The same rules apply to both for at least some aspects of the laws that protect their company

So let's say you find a loophole that lets you use the design of the F3F-4 without asking. So now let's also assume that some clever person notes that and has a bright idea. Now let's further assume that that "somebody else" will now try to use that event (your use of the old plane design) as a legal precedent to use the design of the F/A-18 E/F without asking. Of course it will fail by the way

But that will not stop these suits at NGC from being very afraid of that precedent you set with that loophole, because they can't predict how that might affect them later, because the same Laws protect all those things, and if they give up their rights to protect one, they are showing that there's a situation in which they will let the things they own- doesn't matter what things- be used without permission. So they will be very vigilant to make sure those loopholes and precedents never exist

Does this help you to begin to see the potential for problems surrounding this thing? It's much more complex than "Guys in suits are ruining our fun because they are greedy"

What set this in motion? what was the impetus that caused NGC to care? Lots of rumors. I have my own theory based on what I've been told, and the blame in that theory lies with neither Oleg Maddox, his company, or Northrop-Grumman Corporation. It lies with another group

But how does our gnashing teeth matter? It can't be un-done

[Former_Older]

By the way, Oleg-

thanks for putting up with all the troubles and headaches of that whole thing. I'm sure it was much more trying than any of us can guess

[KOM.Nausicaa]

Hello Oleg,

The hot news in this update in particular is not only in the nice model of this aircraft, but in the announcement that you can fly the same plane with a friend online, thus occupying the two seats. As you say, this makes online instructing possible. This is a marvelous feature. If you think it further, the system might possibly allow to exchange pilot seat also in a bomber. Or flying the bomber with a co-pilot. By that way it would finally be possible to occupy a bomber online with a real crew and "observer". Or pilot is killed and co-pilot takes over--or you switch to bomb sight while co-pilot can fly the plane. Did you think about it? I think it would "revolutionize" online bomber flying.

Cheer and thanks for your fantastic work,

Nausicaa

[Bobb4]

Multi crewed bombers would be awesome.
Point linked to SOW - bob regarding strategic control. Is it possible aka BoB2 WOV to exercise strategic control or say on a more localised level, plan and execute you own raids within the dynamic campaign.
The best dynamic campaign I have ever seen was attached to a sim called total air war, which allowed extensive tactical as well as stratiegic control.
Obviously this is a single player question

[RAF_Leigh]

Originally Posted by Bobb4

Multi crewed bombers would be awesome.

they do already have them but you casnt use the bombsight unless your the pilot i think

[KOM.Nausicaa]

The interesting thing would be to be a pilot, while the other player uses the bombsight, giving corrections in heading to the pilot. Just like it was done in reality.

[Avimimus]

Originally Posted by Former_Older

Does the Government in your country collect taxes?
Do they buy things with those taxes?
Do those things belong to you? Can you use them whenever you like?
Do you own the Rights to the designs that produced those things?
The answers of course are all "No". And of course, the companies that contract to your Government do exactly the same thing.

Err... The answer is normally "Yes". The only case where it is a no (on all points) is with regards to National Museums...
I'm a Canadian and I am the state!

On a serious note: People from many countries fought and died in these machines. We have a right to depict that as citizens and for the sake of remembering our history. No body, especially a company that happens to buy up rights from another company, has the right to take that away.

I would say: contact your veteran's associations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._organizations

Now lets move this discussion to another thread and stop messing this place up:
http://forum.1cpublishing.eu/showthr...5492#post35492

[mondo]

Originally Posted by Avimimus

On a serious note: People from many countries fought and died in these machines. We have a right to depict that as citizens and for the sake of remembering our history. No body, especially a company that happens to buy up rights from another company, has the right to take that away.

I think you'll find most people and companies think that way, however a few large corps who have more money than sense don't.

[Biggs]

sorry if this has already been answered, but what is the time line for BoB:SoW going to span? ...

Are well looking at May '40 through September? or will it go on into winter '40/'41?