AMD Bulldozer is here, oops!

[Kodoss]

Wait until the programs are optimized to use the full power of the new AMD-Chips, then we can run real tests on it.

You can have a Lamborghini as a car, but when the settings of the engine (mixture/ignition time) is not correct then it's a pain in the ass.

[Pudfark]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

Wait until the programs are optimized to use the full power of the new AMD-Chips, then we can run real tests on it.

You can have a Lamborghini as a car, but when the settings of the engine (mixture/ignition time) is not correct then it's a pain in the ass.

Which leads to the question?
Will COD be optimized for Bulldozer?

Thanx fer the info Kat...

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by Pudfark

Which leads to the question?
Will COD be optimized for Bulldozer?

Thanx fer the info Kat...

I guess that depends on how well bulldozer CPU's sell, but I doubt it very much.

[Kodoss]

You know that the bulldozer-architecture is completely new, and that all following CPUs from AMD will use it as fundamentals for the next 5 years. So there will be optimizations in the future.

Let it run the tests with its competitors after one year again, then we can determine if it's good or not.

[snwkill]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

You know that the bulldozer-architecture is completely new, and that all following CPUs from AMD will use it as fundamentals for the next 5 years. So there will be optimizations in the future.

Let it run the tests with its competitors after one year again, then we can determine if it's good or not.

We can only hope... This lack-luster release not only hurts AMD but also hurts us consumers. Now Intel can justify throwing a $600 price tag on their chips...

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

You know that the bulldozer-architecture is completely new, and that all following CPUs from AMD will use it as fundamentals for the next 5 years. So there will be optimizations in the future.

Let it run the tests with its competitors after one year again, then we can determine if it's good or not.

Cant fault you on that for hopeful optimism, but by that time Intel will be light years ahead again, Ivy Bridge is out 1st quarter 2012 and this time next year they will be optimized even more ... I'm really sorry to see AMD get left behind like this.

I've been building my own PC's since 1990 now and and have swung back and forth between Intel and AMD as the performance or even the price per performance (bang for buck) dictated, but Bulldozer working worse than current gen AMD high end processors is nothing but a complete embarrassment, it wouldn't be so bad if they hadnt been shouting from the rooftoops how this CPU release was going to topple Intel I7's the past year or so.

Lets face it, the multicore CPU market is hard to sell to, and AMD have messed this up royally.

Will be interesting to see some FSX benchmarks though, after FSX SP2 that sim can sort of use up to 24 CPU cores, but its the raw speed of each Bulldozer core that is the major disappointment here, its all very well having long pipe lines (as Bulldozer seems to have done) but SB shorter pipelines gets more work done per clock cycle ... its all about efficiency and in this area it looks pretty certain this Bulldozer release ... optimizing or not is a Lemon.

Sorry mate, one of my best friends is a die hard AMD guy and he sounded in shock when I spoke to him on the phone just now.


Bottom line is, we all hoped Bulldozer was gonna be the killer they claimed it would be, its been delayed enough without waiting years more for optimisations, AMD need to start from scratch IMHO ... this really does mean no price drops for Intel Sandy Bridge parts and they can charge what they like for the forthcoming SB-E and Ivy Bridge.

No competition is bad news for us consumers

[Katana1000S]

Originally Posted by Kodoss

Wait until the programs are optimized to use the full power of the new AMD-Chips, then we can run real tests on it.

You can have a Lamborghini as a car, but when the settings of the engine (mixture/ignition time) is not correct then it's a pain in the ass.

You don't honestly think all software companys are going to say, aha, Bulldozer is out lets spend our profit money optimising our software that works just fine on Intel and current gen AMD CPU's for this low selling Bulldozer CPU do you ... not gonna happen mate ... bit of a cop out from AMD too that they say performance of Bulldozer wont work properly until Windows 8.

AMD have delayed and delayed and delayed this chip for what seems like forever now, and now that its here they are saying Piledriver (their next one) will be the Intel killer ... what about all those false claims of massive performance increases over equivalent Intel CPU's they made too, that's just plain dis-honest, people are going to start thinking ... fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

I'm beginning to wonder if this fiasco has anything to do with a top AMD CEO being fired recently ... they say the buck stops at the top.

Dont get me wrong, I own an SB I7 2600K and an I7 920, but I really hoped AMD would come back strong this time the way they did about years ago with the FX64 series and Thunderbird/Athlon stuff, my Nephew is wanting me to build him a new PC I asked him to wait for Bulldozer (because of the claims) but I would be doing him a disservice by building him one of these, pricing up an I5 2500K system for him as I type.

It gives me no pleasure to say, but you must be an AMD fan boy mate or clutching at straws.