The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Bewolf]

It most definately would have been much, much worse had Germany won. I am glad the Nazis lost in many ways.
Those stories about german minorites being persectued is most likely Propaganda. However, Poland indeed acted very, very agressivly towards Germany during the days of the Weimar Republic, after WW1 even tried to grab more land from Germany militarily.

Funny, however, how some individuals once again try to deflect this debate about Britain at Germany, as usual hiding behind Poles, Jews, Gypsies and other victims who they did not lift one finger for during the war. The usual hypocrisis.

[kendo65]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

It most definately would have been much, much worse had Germany won. I am glad the Nazis lost in many ways.
Those stories about german minorites being persectued is most likely Propaganda. However, Poland indeed acted very, very agressivly towards Germany during the days of the Weimar Republic, after WW1 even tried to grab more land from Germany militarily.

Funny, however, how some individuals once again try to deflect this debate about Britain at Germany, as usual hiding behind Poles, Jews, Gypsies and other victims who they did not lift one finger for during the war. The usual hypocrisis.

Before talking about people 'deflecting' debate maybe you could refamiliarise yourself with the title of this thread!!

And then ask which individuals broadened the discussion initially.

edit: sorry Bewolf. Bit of an over-reaction

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by kendo65

Before talking about people 'deflecting' debate maybe you could refamiliarise yourself with the title of this thread!!

And then ask which individuals broadened the discussion initially.

I was not aiming at you, Kendo, I consider your posts quite sensible, though I can see how one feels targeted by association. And you are right about the initial topic, but that was left a long time ago.

[adonys]

I'm not so sure.. Even if Germany won, I'm sure the german nazi scums would have been removed from the history's scene much faster and with less casualties than the soviet ones.. The german nation was at that time much more educated than the russian one

but of course, we can never be sure, and things went as they went..

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by adonys

I'm not so sure.. Even if Germany won, the german nazi scums would have been removed from the history's scene much faster and with less casualties than the soviet ones..

but of course, we can never be sure, as things went as they went..

That is purely speculative. I'd not have wanted to take that risk, to be honest.

[Sternjaeger II]

and to all the people saying how it went off topic, it's probably the natural progression of a discussion on this thread, don't think for a minute there's intention in derailing the original topic.

What emerges though is that there is still a lot of misconceptions and different takes on how things went.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

It most definately would have been much, much worse had Germany won. I am glad the Nazis lost in many ways.
Those stories about german minorites being persectued is most likely Propaganda. However, Poland indeed acted very, very agressivly towards Germany during the days of the Weimar Republic, after WW1 even tried to grab more land from Germany militarily.

Funny, however, how some individuals once again try to deflect this debate about Britain at Germany, as usual hiding behind Poles, Jews, Gypsies and other victims who they did not lift one finger for during the war. The usual hypocrisis.

I agree with your first paragraph.

But how could the Allies/British help the Poles,Jews, gypsies and others? It was not hypocritic as you suggest. It was a factor of distance. The world was a much bigger place then.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[MB_Avro_UK]

Hi all,

I have been reading a book entitled:

Best of Enemies. Britain and Germany. Truth and Lies in Two World Wars.

Author is Richard Milton.

Britain and Germany according to Milton were prior to WW1 close allies. They had a shared culture and a shared Royal Family. WW1 was expected to involve Germany and Britain as Allies against the French.

But after the start of WW1, the propaganda machines of both Britain and Germany changed the situation for ever.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

[trashcanman]

Originally Posted by MB_Avro_UK

Hi all,

I have been reading a book entitled:

Best of Enemies. Britain and Germany. Truth and Lies in Two World Wars.

Author is Richard Milton.

Britain and Germany according to Milton were prior to WW1 close allies. They had a shared culture and a shared Royal Family. WW1 was expected to involve Germany and Britain as Allies against the French.

But after the start of WW1, the propaganda machines of both Britain and Germany changed the situation for ever.

Best Regards,
MB_Avro.

Excellent TrollGrenade Avro

1904 Entende Cordiale? Throw this book away, it probably has a chapter on wooden Spitfires

Trig, an excellent reply to the nonsense however you are attempting to change the minds of committed apologists for the Nationalist Socialist Party.

As sad as it is, these people will attempt to equate Belsen and Aushcwitz to Hamburg and Dresden whilst conveniently forgetting Guernica, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Portsmouth, Coventry, Liverpool, Bristol and the many others where they sowed the seeds.

It was not nice however war never is. 150-200,000 civilians have died in Iraq since it was invaded however none of them were processed through industrial killing facilities.

That is the difference.

[Triggaaar]

Originally Posted by trashcanman

Trig, an excellent reply to the nonsense however you are attempting to change the minds of committed apologists for the Nationalist Socialist Party.

As I reached the end of the thread I see Kendo had already put it more eloquently than I managed.

As sad as it is, these people will attempt to equate Belsen and Aushcwitz to Hamburg and Dresden whilst conveniently forgetting Guernica, Warsaw, Rotterdam, London, Portsmouth, Coventry, Liverpool, Bristol and the many others where they sowed the seeds.

It was not nice however war never is. 150-200,000 civilians have died in Iraq since it was invaded however none of them were processed through industrial killing facilities.

That is the difference.

Personally I wasn't drawing distinction between Hamburg, Dresden, London, Coventry etc (no bias to which side), it's the killing of people that you already control that I pick out. Let's not even start with Stalin.

PS - I totally own this page

I'll come back in a few days to see what's happening with the patch, and hopefully this thread will have disappered.