The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

The Brits got their nose bloodied in France, I just assumed that was the 'given', the BOB was where the Grmans got a taste and it didn't feel so good, they tried for 3 months with one tactic which failed and switched to another......that failed, no bias....that is what happened, any colurfull Nationalistic tones used in the description don't change those facts.

You just don't get what I mean, I don't know how to explain it anymore, Bewolf, care to help me on this one please?

Quite....and when the predictions are proving a bit 'off' it's time to change plans

a "change of plans" doesn't mean "losing a battle".

Still not making sense, please elaborate with a clear example of this.

what is it that is not quite clear, the concept of empire mentality?

Touchy?.....maybe, when you hear this kind of crap over and over it wears the patience somewhat, many in the UK is not everyone in the UK, The United Kingdom existed before the empire, the empire doesn't exist any more.

yes, but it's this dwelling over and over on the glories of the past that is a bit silly, and, as pointed by Bewolf's article, shows the insecurity of this society.

Besides, don't you think for a minute that the continuous celebration of the "victory" on the Battle of Britain could be somehow perceived as passive-aggressive by the Germans of today? And I'm not talking about the remembering of the pilots or victims, I'm talking about all the Battle of Britain low quality jibber jabber, with that air of arrogance and presumption as if it was fought yesterday?

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

it's the kind of drivel you expect from such a left wing newspaper, so the article fits into your 'generalisation' of the British, hi5's all around chaps.

oh so you're a right wing person, a "mild fascist" I hasten to add? Cos that's how it comes out following your logic..

[blackmme]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

oh so you're a right wing person, a "mild fascist" I hasten to add? Cos that's how it comes out, at least historically!

I don't think not liking the Grauniad makes anyone a 'mild fascist'.
Of course liking the Daily Mail does put you somewhat to the right of Goebbels.

Regards Mike

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by blackmme

I don't think not liking the Grauniad makes anyone a 'mild fascist'.
Of course liking the Daily Mail does put you somewhat to the right of Goebbels.

Regards Mike

Yes...what he said.

[Bewolf]

You just don't get what I mean, I don't know how to explain it anymore, Bewolf, care to help me on this one please?

Nope. There are basicly three people out there debating. The one who is in to learn, the one who is on a mission and the one who is in to defend. The latter two will go on ad infititum, aptly displayed by a debate going full circles all the time, no sense to get involved again but a few comments here and there. All comments and arguments on this particular point have been made a couple times already.

[bongodriver]

You just don't get what I mean

I guess so, and the same can be said for you it seems.

a "change of plans" doesn't mean "losing a battle".

If that change of plan is forced on you through failure of the initial objective it is.

what is it that is not quite clear, the concept of empire mentality?

Perhaps, for the most part I barely notice the existence of an empire, I am not aware of any significant change that would happen to life in the UK without the comonwealth countries headed by the UK monarchy, to us the are and will always be Australians, Canadians, New Zealanders, even if the uk had the means to enforce it I seriously doubt it would ever bother maintaining an empire.

yes, but it's this dwelling over and over on the glories of the past that is a bit silly, and, as pointed by Bewolf's article, shows the insecurity of this society.
Besides, don't you think for a minute that the continuous celebration of the "victory" on the Battle of Britain could be somehow perceived as passive-aggressive by the Germans of today? And I'm not talking about the remembering of the pilots or victims, I'm talking about all the Battle of Britain low quality jibber jabber, with that air of arrogance and presumption as if it was fought yesterday?

nobody seems to begrudge the Americans any of this.......so why is it so offensive that the British want to honour the achievents of our armed forces? it's not a celebration of killing Germans, it is a reminder of what we stood against, if the Germans cant differentiate between a nazi and a German then what hope is there?
The arrogance you percieve is a myth, it suits your mentality.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Nope. There are basicly three people out there debating. The one who is in to learn, the one who is on a mission and the one who is in to defend. The latter two will go on ad infititum, aptly displayed by a debate going full circles all the time, no sense to get involved again but a few comments here and there. All comments and arguments on this particular point have been made a couple times already.

a perpetual argument cannot be blamed on one participant alone.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by blackmme

I don't think not liking the Grauniad makes anyone a 'mild fascist'.
Of course liking the Daily Mail does put you somewhat to the right of Goebbels.

Regards Mike

it was a mere provocation, I think that opinions that we don't like reading (probably cos they're true) shouldn't be dismissed merely cos they are on a newspaper that leans towards a certain political side.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

a perpetual argument cannot be blamed on one participant alone.

Absolutely right. "the one" here was not directed at any special person posting here, but a stand in for a freely exchangeable archtetype in such debates.

[blackmme]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Absolutely right. "the one" here was not directed at any special person posting here, but a stand in for a freely exchangeable archtetype in such debates.

Indeed...

Hang on....

A thought just germinated.....

HAVE THEY FIXED THE DAMN GAME YET!!!!!!!

Regards Mike