The Battle of Britain Was The First Defeat For The German Luftwaffe.

[bongodriver]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

Look, if you don't want people to spoil your breast polishing, you may want to consider not posting in an international forum. Chances are that ppl have different opinions.

You can make all the belittleing posts you like, what the hell is breast polishing anyway? just look at your own post and tell me you dont have an issue because 'I' have a differrent oppinion to you....but you won't find me trying to make little petty comment on your character.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Dutch_851

Here we go again eh Stern?

History does not tell otherwise, and propaganda works both ways.

1) Hitler did not wish for war with Britain

yes, someday you'll open a history book that is not together with the Sun and you might realise that you're talking nonsense..

Hitler didn't want to wage war against Britain mainly cos he didn't need it (as much as this is a beautiful country, it didn't have any strategic or resource value whatsoever, at least back in the late 30s), he regarded it as a possible European ally against the "Bolshevik threat".

2) He thought he could bring us to the negotiating table by threat of or actual invasion and establishment of air superioity.

that was Plan B. Plan A was what I mentioned above.

3) Goering said the RAF would last 'two weeks'.

Goering dressed up like a Nazi Elton John and had his same competence in terms of air warfare. The truth is that the Luftwaffe was a potent machine throughout the Battle, and had they stuck to the original plans of crippling airfields and factories, you would have had no air superiority over your own country.

He was arrogant and obviously 2 weeks was a ridiculous statement to make his boss happy, and as you know, his boss was a fan of ridiculous statements right until the end, when he was moving imaginary battalions on the map.

Hitler got what he didn't want, i.e. war with Britain

Hitler was extremely short tempered, had he arranged things better, making sure that a suitable invasion flottilla was ready, he would have steamrolled his way all the way up North.. Let's not forget how much they advanced in Russia and how close they got to Moscow, do you really think that, had they really wanted to invade Britain, the Channel or the Royal Navy would have stopped them?

He didn't force us to the negotiating table or succeed in invading or establishing air superiority.

yes, simply cos you were of no interest and had no resources that he could be interested in, and his military command realised that it would have been too much logistical effort to conquer such an irrelevant country, because, let's face it, they kicked you out of the European mainland and spared a slaughter of British troops in Dunkirk.

Hitler simply said "enough of this, it's taking too long, we'll get back to them once we're done with Russia". Big mistake, cos in the meantime the Americans joined the party.. but hey, had they kept a better relationship with their Allies, they would have known better..

If the Americans didn't join in, you would have been sad spectators of the horror going through Europe. You wouldn't surely have been able to invade the European mainland by yourselves.

RAF fighter command had more pilots and aircraft at the end of the Battle than the start, which is more than can be said for the Luftwaffe.

yes, cos they were moved to other fronts. Also, shall we comment on the preparation and skills of your poorly trained pilots back then? Some of those poor guys were sent up with less than 25 hours on the Spitfire and Hurricane.

Hitler for once, didn't get what he wanted, which was a 'Free hand in Europe', the first setback he'd encountered since coming to power.

I fail to see which part of 'winning' you don't understand.

Great Britain was no mainland Europe, he had no interest in invading you, his idea of Seeloewe was just a childish tantrum, and for that tantrum thousands of people died.

The Battle of Britain was a draw. Nobody ever won it.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

Se we were an underdog!.....we still are, has the German phyce no concept of fighting back against a bigger aggressor? the Brits have nothing to feel ashamed of in that respect.

no, that's true, you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris. That's your only flaw in an otherwise spotless conduct.

Uh and Market-Garden.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

You can make all the belittleing posts you like, what the hell is breast polishing anyway? just look at your own post and tell me you dont have an issue because 'I' have a differrent oppinion to you....but you won't find me trying to make little petty comment on your character.

Breast polishing? Should be pretty self explainatory. Making your armor shine that much that it blinds you.

I have zero intention of belittleing you, i just have a problem with mixing national pathos with fact finding.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I have zero intention of belittleing you, i just have a problem with mixing national pathos with fact finding.

Spot on.

[bongodriver]

Breast polishing? Should be pretty self explainatory. Making your armor shine that much that it blinds you.

But...but I'm not wearing armour.....I don't understand......oh I get it youre saying I'm a jumped up little nationalist prick etc....no thats not belittleing at all.

no, that's true, you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris. That's your only flaw in an otherwise spotless conduct.

Uh and Market-Garden.

Oh so we need to feel ashamed of a couple of mistakes while Germany is completely absolved because it happened so long ago and nobody really got hurt.....well nobody important anyway eh?

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

Great Britain was not mainland Europe, he had no interest in invading you

All of that great rambling post simply agrees with what I said, apart from you considering the Battle a 'Draw'.

And I don't read The Sun.

[ATAG_Dutch]

Originally Posted by Sternjaeger II

you only have to feel ashamed for the bomber offensive perpetrated by Harris.

No we don't, any more than the Americans should be ashamed of Bomber campaigns in both Europe and the Pacific.

And it wasn't perpetrated by Harris.

Harris never did anything that wasn't sanctioned by the war cabinet, headed by Churchill.

Harris has been made a scapegoat for far too long.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

But...but I'm not wearing armour.....I don't understand......oh I get it youre saying I'm a jumped up little nationalist prick etc....no thats not belittleing at all.



Oh so we need to feel ashamed of a couple of mistakes while Germany is completely absolved because it happened so long ago and nobody really got hurt.....well nobody important anyway eh?

haven't said that Germany shouldn't feel ashamed, they still do and pay for it (I had a German girlfriend in 2007, she was 27 and a part of the taxes she paid went on the reimbursement for the war..).

Your "couple of mistakes", as you called them, cost 600.000 civilian lives and 55.000 RAF airmen.

Didn't hear much mourning from the British side on this though.

[Bewolf]

Originally Posted by bongodriver

But...but I'm not wearing armour.....I don't understand......oh I get it youre saying I'm a jumped up little nationalist prick etc....no thats not belittleing at all.

Oh so we need to feel ashamed of a couple of mistakes while Germany is completely absolved because it happened so long ago and nobody really got hurt.....well nobody important anyway eh?

You are placing words into my mouth. Don't blame me for you to read what you want to read. My apologies if I came over as overly sarcastic, but it's not as if you made yourself easy to ignore.