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[ATAG_Doc]

Originally Posted by winny

Right then, so unless you've first hand experience with something then you can't have a vaild opinion on it? Bollocks. Bigoted bollocks.

I don't care about the responsible gun owners. It's the irresponsible ones that will end up killing someone. But what's the odd death as long as you get to shoot stuff at the weekends?

He's right. I think he brings up a very important point the issue is irresponsible ones. I think we can and do all agree that no matter what the topic is if it involves someone who is irresponsible then it's a problem.

What is the common denominator here? We have irresponsible drinkers. We have irresponsible people procreating more irresponsible persons.

What do these have in common?

I think that's what we need to focus on. That is exactly the problem.

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by timej31

He's right. I think he brings up a very important point the issue is irresponsible ones. I think we can and do all agree that no matter what the topic is if it involves someone who is irresponsible then it's a problem.

What is the common denominator here? We have irresponsible drinkers. We have irresponsible people procreating more irresponsible persons.

What do these have in common?

I think that's what we need to focus on. That is exactly the problem.

yeah, I agree about the risk of irresponsible gun owners, but how many are they? Again, the law should be in the numbers.. there are roughly some 50k gun owners in the UK, how many gun related crimes committed by these law abiding citizens you recorded so far? One every 10 years or more.

(again take Switzerland: 400k firearms registered and 1 accident since the end of WW2)

How many people get killed (directly or indirectly) by poor driving, bad parenting, alcohol abuse, Anti-Social Behaviour every year? Hundreds.

Someone hasn't done their maths properly me thinks.

[Skoshi Tiger]

AK-47s have never been legal in my state in Australia. For the last 15 years they have been illegal throughout the whole of Australia.

Yesterday the police did a raid in my home town on a crystal meths Lab and found one. Hmmm! Have the gun laws worked? No, the criminals still can get them.


From my perspective, the police are very good at getting guns off irresponsible gun owners where I live. Getting them off people who step outside the law is something completely different.

Oh by the way they also found an air rifle with a telescopic sight which they showed on TV with the '47.

If criminals use air rifles, should they ban them too? If you ask the anti gun loby they say yes!

[Sternjaeger II]

Originally Posted by Skoshi Tiger

AK-47s have never been legal in my state in Australia. For the last 15 years they have been illegal throughout the whole of Australia.

Yesterday the police did a raid in my home town on a crystal meths Lab and found one. Hmmm! Have the gun laws worked? No, the criminals still can get them.

Oh by the way they also found an air rifle with a telescopic sight which they showed on TV with the '47.

From my perspective, the police are very good at getting guns off irresponsible gun owners where I live. Getting them off people who step outside the law is something completely different.

If criminals use air rifles, should they ban them too? If you ask the anti gun loby they say yes!

I know mate, that's what people here don't seem or want to get. Organised crime is out there and well armed too.

What I find particularly surprising is the condescending tone of "aaah come on, it would never happen here!". Apparently history hasn't taught much to these folks..